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hi all
today almost two weaks that i started to play pokerstars i got to my first final table :smokin:
i only play torunaments so is it good or bad that it took that long?

at the final table i calld an all-in i had TT vs AJ and lost at 7place

now that i saw the light of the final table i want to win :p
in the final it was all-in or fold every hand im not sure thats the way to play but with blinds raising and having the 5th stack there was not much else i could do

i want some opinions if what i did was the right way to play
my way of playing the final was all-in with
AK
AQ
AJ
and any hand pair

and fold all the rest

shold i be more lag or tight at that stage?
 
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hi all
today almost two weaks that i started to play pokerstars i got to my first final table :smokin:
i only play torunaments so is it good or bad that it took that long?

at the final table i calld an all-in i had TT vs AJ and lost at 7place

now that i saw the light of the final table i want to win :p
in the final it was all-in or fold every hand im not sure thats the way to play but with blinds raising and having the 5th stack there was not much else i could do

i want some opinions if what i did was the right way to play
my way of playing the final was all-in with
AK
AQ
AJ
and any hand pair

and fold all the rest

shold i be more lag or tight at that stage?

A little more info would help.. How much were the blinds How big was your stack?? Were you getting calls? How was the other ppl playing there hands all in or just min raise??to me if you have a prime hand like ak at a final table you want a call to build the stack and try for the win..
 
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if the mtt is a turbo is ok the aproach but if the mtt is a regular speed then yoiu should be tighter, anyway congrats for your fist FT
 
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You should play how do you want,but jj +1
 
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I want to know everybody stacks and the speed of blinds.

How about your position or villains position?

Your hand selection is good but your actions also depend on many things.
 
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It is good to look for advice but remember that poker is very situational - also what works for one person may not work for you, find your own style. How many short stacks were there? What was your stack how many bb's did you have? What were the payout jumps? Any history with the player you faced off against in this hand? These factors plus others determine whether you made the optimal play. Last, you can do everything right and still lose or make a bad play and win. Congrats on 1st final table - keep us posted on future accomplishments
 
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I believe that this taking good decisions only to play with good hands it is the correct thing but alphabets is necessary to create played in the tables
 
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i imagine its turbo, so its ok your shoving range, and also add more cards when you're in the button or sb and nobody raised or people only limped the pot.

good luck, mate!
 
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Sounds like a turbo, maybe the 180 players tourney...

We need to know the money jumps. If you have a big jump, you dont want to be shoving as light as AJ. Also you shouldnt be calling AQo either.
 
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sorry didnt remember to post that part

it was a 2.50€ buy in turbo table on pokerstars 180 seats

i had around 25k and the blinds were 5k/10k i think the chip leader had around 90k

all the big stacks were going all-in or folding so i could only play that way too

i got yesterday to the final table of a free rool and it was more "normal"
i think the turbo made it be that agressive
 
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sorry didnt remember to post that part

it was a 2.50€ buy in turbo table on pokerstars 180 seats

i had around 25k and the blinds were 5k/10k i think the chip leader had around 90k

all the big stacks were going all-in or folding so i could only play that way too

i got yesterday to the final table of a free rool and it was more "normal"
i think the turbo made it be that agressive

You need call with any hands , call be very profitable, your stack very small what fold,,, i think how min 30% equity you have,,,
 
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sure it wasnt really becouse of the odds that i folded...the money jumps are big

you almost double your pay for every bust out in that stage
so if i was going all-in sooner or later i wanted to have a good hand to try ladder up

im sure if i was the chip leader i would call any two cards even 72 if i was the last one to talk
 
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sure it wasnt really becouse of the odds that i folded...the money jumps are big

you almost double your pay for every bust out in that stage
so if i was going all-in sooner or later i wanted to have a good hand to try ladder up

im sure if i was the chip leader i would call any two cards even 72 if i was the last one to talk

You have 2.5BB, I mean, you almost double up if everyone folds to your bet. But then youre only at like 4BB. Without knowing the calculations for the ICM etc, i think maybe you could call, and let somebody shove on you?

Its an unorthodox play, but if someone has AA-JJ theyre snap calling anyway. People are going to see your call as weakness, or strength. If its strength maybe they tighten up and fold AJ. Or maybe they loosen up and shove on you with A9... In that position id be looking to build a nice pot and try hit my set, which is happening about 1 in 6 times, couple that with you probably have the best hand if no one else improves...

Either way, sounds like a sucky position to be in!
 
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I believe that the games of the final table is a game with a high concentration of attention sings need to focus on the game and play more hands
 
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sorry didnt remember to post that part

it was a 2.50€ buy in turbo table on pokerstars 180 seats

i had around 25k and the blinds were 5k/10k i think the chip leader had around 90k

all the big stacks were going all-in or folding so i could only play that way too

i got yesterday to the final table of a free rool and it was more "normal"
i think the turbo made it be that agressive

I think your biggest mistake was letting your stack get down to 2.5 BBs. Once you're down that low, any shove you make is an instant call by, at a minimum, the BB because he's priced in. Unless you just took a big hit and your stack is 2.5 BBs, don't let it drop that low. You cant afford to wait for premium hands because the blinds are going to eat you up.

Once you're stack is down to 15BBs or less, you need to find a spot to get your money in. Even if the big stacks are shoving, don't be afraid to call them with mediocre hands. And dont be afraid to shove first.

Your goal shouldn't be to just slowly climb up the money, but to win the game, so you need to put yourself into a position to do so. And folding your hands, waiting for something big while blinds/antes eat your stack isn't the way to do so.

Another way to look at it: Lets say you have 15BBs and you're currently in 7th place. You shove a hand on the button and you bust out in 7th place. Say you lost with Q10 vs K9. Now lets compare this to your strategy of folding until you have a big hand and you shove with 1010 @ 2.5BBs. Whats the difference? Well, you ended up in 7th reguardless, but the 15 BB shove put you in a better position to finish much higher in the MTT had you had won. Even if you had won the 2.5BB shove, you'd still be at 5BBs and probably still in 7th place. Pick your spots and get your money in, don't be afraid to lose but at least lose giving yourself the best advantage you can to win.
 
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I think your biggest mistake was letting your stack get down to 2.5 BBs. Once you're down that low, any shove you make is an instant call by, at a minimum, the BB because he's priced in. Unless you just took a big hit and your stack is 2.5 BBs, don't let it drop that low. You cant afford to wait for premium hands because the blinds are going to eat you up.

Once you're stack is down to 15BBs or less, you need to find a spot to get your money in. Even if the big stacks are shoving, don't be afraid to call them with mediocre hands. And dont be afraid to shove first.

Your goal shouldn't be to just slowly climb up the money, but to win the game, so you need to put yourself into a position to do so. And folding your hands, waiting for something big while blinds/antes eat your stack isn't the way to do so.

Another way to look at it: Lets say you have 15BBs and you're currently in 7th place. You shove a hand on the button and you bust out in 7th place. Say you lost with Q10 vs K9. Now lets compare this to your strategy of folding until you have a big hand and you shove with 1010 @ 2.5BBs. Whats the difference? Well, you ended up in 7th reguardless, but the 15 BB shove put you in a better position to finish much higher in the MTT had you had won. Even if you had won the 2.5BB shove, you'd still be at 5BBs and probably still in 7th place. Pick your spots and get your money in, don't be afraid to lose but at least lose giving yourself the best advantage you can to win.

I agree, but he says the bigstack had 9BB. Sounds like a hyperturbo shovefest situation to me.
 
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I agree, but he says the bigstack had 9BB. Sounds like a hyperturbo shovefest situation to me.
Well, snap. I misread that part.

Ok, OP. Apply what I said to regular MTTs.
 
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