Evaluating Equity/hand Strength

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Hey everyone,

So there was something interesting I read. The suggestion is that there is a specific order when evaluating your equity in the hand the order goes; holdings, position, number of players in hand, stack sizes, and then what type of players are on the table. Anybody care to give some input? What order do you evaluate your variables? Le
 
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holdings shouldnt be first that much i can tell you

there are situations where it shouldnt even matter what cards you have

position is extremely important to me i might even say most important but i dont know i dont really rank them

bottom line they are all important variables but stack sizes and type and number of players are pretty straightforward but i really think position is the one people should value more jmo

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I don't personally use the above order. I truthfully believe that these variables constantly are changing and must be evaluated with different levels of priority based on your specfic situation. For example say I have 3 opponents behind me with about 3000chips one guy ahead goes all-in 1000 my hand is 10-10 I've got 10000 I'm going to bet 3000 and try to isolate that all-in regardless if I'm early or late. When guy went all-in my priority change from position (or holding or whatever) to stack size.
 
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I do agree with all the variables you mentioned that determines hand equity/strength. But since poker is situational, there is no such specific order.
 
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As others have said, no order is going to be perfect for all situations. I'm sure there are flaws in my order here but I'd say it's my general outlook.

position (a player in position has more info than one OOP)
stack sizes (determines who's exerting pressure; also take the bubble into consideration if applicable)
player types (if an opponent never goes to SD for instance, the cards really don't matter)
# of players (decent cards are not enough in a multi-way pot)
holdings (play the players, not the cards ;) )

Thanks for this mind expanding question, at the table all of these processes happen so fast it was difficult to put them in a specific order (as they're interdependent) but it does shed light on one's tendencies. :top:

I included my reasoning as simply listing a different order doesn't really explain why. I'd be interested to see other people's perspectives/reasons here.
 
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As others have said, no order is going to be perfect for all situations. I'm sure there are flaws in my order here but I'd say it's my general outlook.

position (a player in position has more info than one OOP)
stack sizes (determines who's exerting pressure; also take the bubble into consideration if applicable)
player types (if an opponent never goes to SD for instance, the cards really don't matter)
# of players (decent cards are not enough in a multi-way pot)
holdings (play the players, not the cards ;) )

Thanks for this mind expanding question, at the table all of these processes happen so fast it was difficult to put them in a specific order (as they're interdependent) but it does shed light on one's tendencies. :top:

I included my reasoning as simply listing a different order doesn't really explain why. I'd be interested to see other people's perspectives/reasons here.



Your completely right it is so hard to even start to put an order to these (very very important) variables I guess this speaks to reading players on a level. Further how do your read yourself lol. Funny enough you may think you play a certian way based on your perception of say tight yet another person may say your semi-loose. There are so many In-depth aspects to the game that new players (I'll bet many veterans aswell) don't give enough thought, not to say that these same new players don't take these variables seriously but trying to grasp them on a higher level can only improve your game.
Funny you mentioned how fast these variables change. I'n real-time it incredible how fast you can lose track and in that split second is when your opponent moves in. For example I used to miss when a player is pot-committed, just didn't realise and in that instant I make the biggest mistake and try to bluff cost me a tourney. But just a fraction of a second is all it take to utter "call". :):)
 
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Even though most of the reading I have done on the subject puts position first and holdings last, personally I don't think it matters the order as long as all factors are considered and thought through. With each one having a certain evaluation weight to it, I.e position has more weight then stack sizes etc. Think of it this way, if the player behind you shoved and you know he only shoves with aces then your position and stack don't matter. I like to play what I call " poker tag " and will target a player and watch him like a hawk and try to figure out where he is making his mistakes, once I have a good line on them, another player is " it ". So I generally have a good idea of what to apply pressure with first, position, stack or holdings. We used to have a saying when I sold cars and it goes " if you listen close enough and pay attention the client will tell you how to sell them a car ". I think the same applies to poker, except in poker it's telling you how to get their chips.
 
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What about what the other players are holding? If it is post flop we should have our opponents on a certain range of hands which will drastically alter the way we play the hand.
 
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