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Yesterday playing a tournament with friends got a pair of aces.The bets began high in pre flop, and when it came time for me to bet the pot was already 18,000.
As I had a couple of to 39,000 and chips, I was all in.
Only the first bettor called and when appeared the cinca board cards, lost to a flush of clubs.


It was a terrible feeling, but in poker these things happen.
 
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If I had a 5 dollars for every time I lost with AA all in preflop I would be a millionaire
 
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Yesterday playing a tournament with friends got a pair of aces.The bets began high in pre flop, and when it came time for me to bet the pot was already 18,000.
As I had a couple of to 39,000 and chips, I was all in.
Only the first bettor called and when appeared the cinca board cards, lost to a flush of clubs.


It was a terrible feeling, but in poker these things happen.
The highest chance AA has against any hand is 95% (AA vs 72o). In reality, most of the times when all in before the flop, you will have 80-90% equity. But see, that's not 100%. 80% means u will lose 1 out of every 5 times. So don't let the bad beat bother you. You got the money in good, that's all that matters.
 
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The pocket aces are losing too much at the tables ;I've been seen that lately,but why does this happen?
 
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Sometimes it happens, you played well, it was just bad luck
 
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I wish I would've kept track of my hands since my first day of poker. I'm pretty sure that aces have won me a lot more chips with them then without
 
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With AA, expect to lose at least 1 out of 5 times (now remember this is heads up, on a multi way pot, the odds go further down).

For example, all in Preflop AA (70%) vs JJ ( 8%) vs 78s (21%).

So as you can see, in multi way pots AA isn't really that big of a favorite.

Just accept the fact that sometimes you will lose with AA. That's the easiest way to deal with it. Yea sure, if it's deep in a tournament and u lose to 99, it hurts. But that's poker. Variance is the name of the game.
 
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For example, all in Preflop AA (70%) vs JJ ( 8%) vs 78s (21%).
No split %?:D

To OP:
I try to avoid pre-flop all-ins whenever possible - I don't like not being able to get away from it if the table is nasty. I'm not saying that I wouldn't call a shove that covers me with A/A, but I don't like doing it if possible. Just raise and show your strength and carry it to the flop. Cbet or value depending, if the board pairs, I'd start getting worried. The amount of boats that have claimed my A/A is almost beyond what most call variance. lol
 
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Aces get cracked. In tournament poker, going all in preflop with aces isnt the only possibility. You can slow play and hope to have a board that is not that synced and has your opponent crushed. You may even make more money this way, as you let your opponent bluff as well.
 
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It happens, get over it and move on.
 
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It turns out that even against 72o, AA is only a 88.2% favorite.
 
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No split %?:D

To OP:
I try to avoid pre-flop all-ins whenever possible - I don't like not being able to get away from it if the table is nasty. I'm not saying that I wouldn't call a shove that covers me with A/A, but I don't like doing it if possible. Just raise and show your strength and carry it to the flop. Cbet or value depending, if the board pairs, I'd start getting worried. The amount of boats that have claimed my A/A is almost beyond what most call variance. lol
I take the exact opposite line. When I get dealt AA, my goal is to get the money all in before the flop (as much as possible, doesn't mean I will be open raising 10x or something, also sometimes flatting an initial raiser is good idea if u know a LAG behind is likely to squeeze). But mid/later stages of tournaments it's usually not that hard to get AA all in pre flop as the stack sizes are so shallow.
If I am all in Preflop (heads up), that's the best possible situation math wise because I have made the optimum move. The results don't bother me because I get that math wise I will lose time to time with AA. (but it does bother me deep in tournaments where that one hand could potentially mean the difference between final table or a mediocre cash. Even worse in final tables as losing with AA Preflop all in could possibly mean going out 6th vs having the chip lead).
 
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The highest chance AA has against any hand is 95% (AA vs 72o). In reality, most of the times when all in before the flop, you will have 80-90% equity. But see, that's not 100%. 80% means u will lose 1 out of every 5 times. So don't let the bad beat bother you. You got the money in good, that's all that matters.
I apologise for the incorrect numbers I posted earlier. When I was using the odds calculator there was a flop, so those numbers above are wrong. Here are the correct equity

AA(89%) vs 72o(11%)
AA (93%) vs AKo(7%) / AA (88%) vs AKs (12%)
AA (80%) vs QQ (19%)
AA (61%) vs JJ (18%) vs 76s (20%)

So basically as you can, it is NOT reasonable to ALWAYS win with AA. In fact in most cases when people are calling all in with a tight range the equity will look like this

AA (82%) VS (1010+, AKs, AKo) (18%).
So yea, when all in with AA pre flop and against one opponent, expect to lose 1 out of every 5 times.
 
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I take the exact opposite line. When I get dealt AA, my goal is to get the money all in before the flop (as much as possible, doesn't mean I will be open raising 10x or something, also sometimes flatting an initial raiser is good idea if u know a LAG behind is likely to squeeze). But mid/later stages of tournaments it's usually not that hard to get AA all in pre flop as the stack sizes are so shallow.
If I am all in Preflop (heads up), that's the best possible situation math wise because I have made the optimum move. The results don't bother me because I get that math wise I will lose time to time with AA. (but it does bother me deep in tournaments where that one hand could potentially mean the difference between final table or a mediocre cash. Even worse in final tables as losing with AA Preflop all in could possibly mean going out 6th vs having the chip lead).
Which is fine - everybody plays differently and that's what makes this game great but how many times do you see MTT/Cash pros shoving pre-flop without being forced into it or short stacked? It's rare because they know it can be cracked and don't want to burn money. There is a difference between aggressive play and reckless play and every time you shove you're literally leaving the result up to the gods - and that's something you want to avoid as much as possible if you really want to be profitable, esp live.

Whereas if somebody called my re-raise pre-flop you can happily assume they've got a big hand worth playing. If the flop pairs up with kings, it's likely somebody has you beat. I would still probably do a large bet on the turn to see where I stand, but if a board like that comes and somebody calls then alarm bells gotta be going off, if the flop pairs 6/6, then you're probably in a much stronger position because the likelihood of them playing something that small into a pot that large is unlikely - he could be pot committed at this point, but even then you still have to at least consider that you're beat.

Either way, if the first option comes to pass, at least then you can pull out with 1/2-3/4 of your stack and continue on while licking your wounds, over walking to the cage or the door. Ofc this is dependent on the players at the table, your reads and all that jazz, but the reality is if you bet into them or they bet into you and you 3bet and they call, then you value/cbet the flop (which would be a large raise just based on the already bloated pot) then you know they got something, they wouldn't be playing a draw on a flop like that and if they are, then you just paid for information that'll pay off in the future.

That's my way - I don't expect people to agree with it.
 
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Which is fine - everybody plays differently and that's what makes this game great but how many times do you see MTT/Cash pros shoving pre-flop without being forced into it or short stacked? It's rare because they know it can be cracked and don't want to burn money. There is a difference between aggressive play and reckless play and every time you shove you're literally leaving the result up to the gods - and that's something you want to avoid as much as possible if you really want to be profitable, esp live.

Whereas if somebody called my re-raise pre-flop you can happily assume they've got a big hand worth playing. If the flop pairs up with kings, it's likely somebody has you beat. I would still probably do a large bet on the turn to see where I stand, but if a board like that comes and somebody calls then alarm bells gotta be going off, if the flop pairs 6/6, then you're probably in a much stronger position because the likelihood of them playing something that small into a pot that large is unlikely - he could be pot committed at this point, but even then you still have to at least consider that you're beat.

Either way, if the first option comes to pass, at least then you can pull out with 1/2-3/4 of your stack and continue on while licking your wounds, over walking to the cage or the door. Ofc this is dependent on the players at the table, your reads and all that jazz, but the reality is if you bet into them or they bet into you and you 3bet and they call, then you value/cbet the flop (which would be a large raise just based on the already bloated pot) then you know they got something, they wouldn't be playing a draw on a flop like that and if they are, then you just paid for information that'll pay off in the future.

That's my way - I don't expect people to agree with it.
I understand what you are saying and I agree to an extent. But see for me, who plays mostly turbos and hyper-turbos and bounty builders, stack sizes are often pretty shallow, in which case (although very situation dependent) it makes the most sense to get it all in pre-flop with AA.
 
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Most people would have done the same as you but as they say thats poker.
 
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You played your best.

You did everything right bad beats happen. Just like you know what.
 
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The reason for raising with AA is mainly to eliminate opponents.
Head-up is the goal.
It look like OP ended in a multiway pot, chances of winning drop drastically.

So: With AA raise, but not more than required to eliminated all but 1 opponents.

Sadly, early in free/micro MTT's, opening all-in with AA may result in a 4-way pot.
 
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