Double up turbo Sit n Gos

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I have been playing alot of these latley, and seem to have a really good roi in these. Not going to go too deep into it but I've been playing $5 double ups. They are 6 max top 3 get $10 over about 65 of these I've cashed about 70% for a good return. I find these quite soft and was wondering what do you guys think about these long term and what should a bankroll be for these and how much to move up to $10 double ups. I usually play 2-3 tables at a time. Would my roi theoretically go down moving up or at those stakes be relatively close.
 
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If you have the patience it might work, but it is a lot of playing with little return.
 
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I have not played but I think that is not a bad option only at the same time for multi-table play is not necessary,can be confusing
 
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important to respect your bankroll and do not climb above their limits.
 
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I could not find those Double up Turbo Seat and Go on pokerstars? Are them on ACR or other? :confused:
 
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Bovada has a lot of those double ups. I play little at stars now because its play money only.
 
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I have played a few of these and I have cashed in each one i have played but I found the play to be very close to a sattelite, opponents start out soft/aggressive but after the first knock out everyone seems to tighten up playing pretty much only the top of their ranges unless they were able to limp in cheaply. It can end up being a slow game even for a turbo, and you are capped as to how much you win which sometimes doesnt make up for how long it took for 1 6max table
 
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Their low varience, but I think ultimately you'll be more profitable at more standard 6max and 9man structures if you can work on your shorthanded game.

I played these for a little while because I wasn't great at shorthanded play. These are good for working on bubble play though imo
 
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I primarily play on ACR and someone once told me that ACR used to have double up sit and goes but no longer. I wish they would bring them back. I have also played on Bovada playing the double up sit and goes but my bankroll didn't really support playing them at the 5 dollar level. Then I received some money to play on intertops and after I blew most of it in the casino, I just started playing there 1.00 Double up or nothings and I really enjoy them for the low cost and the bad players. I've only been playing them off and on for a month with having playing maybe 10 but I haven't lost yet so if you are doing well playing them and you enjoy them then I say keep playing. You have to do what makes you happy in this game and if double or nothings does it for you then I say go for it.
 
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I used to play these games, stopped a few months ago, but they are very beatable up to the highest stakes they offer. $50 Turbos or $100 reg speed.

If you're playing well, you should see a >5% ROI regardless of the level you're at, but your ITM of 70% is obviously unsustainable. Something in the 55-58% range will be considered good for these games.

Personally, I'd be comfortable grinding these games with 20-30 buy-ins, but 40-50 is probably better if you're just starting out.

Their low varience, but I think ultimately you'll be more profitable at more standard 6max and 9man structures if you can work on your shorthanded game.

I played these for a little while because I wasn't great at shorthanded play. These are good for working on bubble play though imo

I don't really know if this is true. The DONs on Bovada are great because they offer the best value in terms of rake while being incredibly soft games.

For example,

  • DON - $5 + $0.25
  • 6-max Turbo $5 + $0.50
That's a pretty significant difference and if I was trying to grind a bankroll up I'd take advantage of that.

However, I would agree that long-term there are more opportunities in mainly 6-max turbos because you can play those games on any site whereas DoNs either aren't offered on some sites or the buy-ins are capped to lower stakes.
 
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I play 9 man turbos and I see a 5% roi on 5.50. 5% return on 5.50 is roughly a penny more per game than 5% on 5.25 I imagine improving my shorthanded game will greatly increase my roi. They take roughly the same amount of time to play.
Also BR requirements are much higher for standard turbo SnGs than double ups
 
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In 9 mans, you need to have a 5% higher edge than in DONs (which I don't think is possible) to achieve the same ROI (since rake is 5% higher). That's why they are the better option.

However, it doesn't really matter. If you enjoy 9 mans and are doing well, stick with them. May have trouble finding action in those games as you move up though.
 
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In 9 mans, you need to have a 5% higher edge than in DONs (which I don't think is possible) to achieve the same ROI (since rake is 5% higher). That's why they are the better option.

However, it doesn't really matter. If you enjoy 9 mans and are doing well, stick with them. May have trouble finding action in those games as you move up though.
I think for now my goal is to transition to 6max turbos when I get better at short handed
 
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I see everyone talking about time. These are turbos and usually last 30 minutes max. If I play 4 at a time, and cash 3. That's $30 an hour on average. At the lowest stakes they have these.
 
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I see everyone talking about time. These are turbos and usually last 30 minutes max. If I play 4 at a time, and cash 3. That's $30 an hour on average. At the lowest stakes they have these.
Sorry 20 dollars an hour. Was busy and didn't do math correctly lol.
 
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I see everyone talking about time. These are turbos and usually last 30 minutes max. If I play 4 at a time, and cash 3. That's $30 an hour on average. At the lowest stakes they have these.

thats assuming you can maintain your 75% ITM... which honestly, if you had a 75% win rate youd be one of the best DON players on the net

you have a small sample size. realistic expectations for DON ROI is 5% so the best way to calculate your longterm earnings is 5.25 * 0.05 * number of games you expect to play so if you play 8 games an hour, you'd average about 2$ an hour.

you need hundreds of these things really grasp what your actual winrate is.. it sounds like youre not quite grasping the nature of variance just yet... not saying that to discourage you, definitely keep it up. keep plugging away, the real money doesnt start until you're multitabling at the higher levels. i just think its important to have a realistic expectation so that when you do encounter negative varience you dont lose confidence, which could be a bad run of cards, cold deck, just getting stuck at tables with nothing but nits for a few weeks in a row... (cant table select on bovada)
 
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Oh I know I've got a small sample size and that I've ran good. I've done a lot of studying for these sit and gos. I think at the micro stakes I could have an above average ROI. I know 75% isn't realistic. I'll just have to see where I'm at 6 months from now. I understand the variance.
 
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