double up tourneys

who likes double ups i like em and i dont best to just wait till people get taken out anfd only play premium hands

Hate it, maybe at higher limits it'd be all good but at micros its just frustrating, and hour for a dollar, or 2 woop de do. yeah nah.

Yeah...you can manage a decent win rate with them, but they also seem to take foreeevvvverrrr because everyone is nitting it up like crazy.

Bovinity said:

Yeah...you can manage a decent win rate with them, but they also seem to take foreeevvvverrrr because everyone is nitting it up like crazy.

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You really want them to nit up because a lot of pots you can take with just a pot sized bet on the flop. If you have a big enough BR to get away from the $1 or $2 you can show a good profit, but I would rather play a 6 max turbo and win more.

Play TURBO DON

Bovinity said:

Yeah...you can manage a decent win rate with them, but they also seem to take foreeevvvverrrr because everyone is nitting it up like crazy.

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Turbos will cause the tournament to go much faster and cause opponents to take more chances or get blinded out or KO'd.

I consider these to be the easiest to be ITM ... usually takes about 25 - 35 minutes. Play very tight, especially once you get down to around 6-7 players to go.

GL, Wally

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I like the 5.20 turbo double or nothings on pokerstars. As you said its very tight but you can multitable them like crazy.

Beware of collusion on the double or nothings on pokerstars, obv at the higher buy-ins.

I experimented a bit with them, but there's really nothing I ended up liking about them.

- I find them boring because it is correct to play way way tight 6 handed. Half the fun is playing shorthanded and playing to win, not squeak into 5th place.
- They aren't very profitable because even if you finish top 5 a respectable 60% of the time, the rake will eat you alive.
- The correct strategy is so far removed from real poker, that I found it had a negative impact on my play in both cash games and regular payout tournaments.

I used to grind these and I still coach them, but they are insanely boring over a long period of time. I played $20.8 turbos 45 at a time for 4 hours or so a day for 3 months and ended up hating poker because of it.

robhimself said:

I used to grind these and I still coach them, but they are insanely boring over a long period of time. I played $20.8 turbos 45 at a time for 4 hours or so a day for 3 months and ended up hating poker because of it.

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How the heck can anybody play 45 at one time...are you insane? There is no wonder you ended up hating poker...I would too.

Playing that many at once is just insanity, me thinks. Can you still even call it poker when playing that many games at a time?

Please help me understand what motivates you to do it (besides greed). I can admire multi-tasking or playing 3 or 4 at a time, but with that many, how could anyone enjoy the game of poker. WOW

My best to you, Wally

They are boring and usualy you should make profit out of them. Problem is bad luck. At 1-2 dollars buy-in +rake you have to win 2 out of 3 to make profit. The problem is that if you have bad luck several times you will have to work a lot to make up for the lost money.
The single problem i see is the rake at smaller buy-ins.
80% of the time when the blinds are 100/200 at shorthanded DONs there are only 4 persons remained and if you play correct untill that time you will have at least 6-7 BB and the only thing remaining is to chose the moment to push.
15% of the time at smaller buy-ins you can get ITM without playing a hand cose the donks knock each other out.

Holdem manager can help you a lot especially for the high blind play , because you will have to chose the tight players to bully.
I myself 90% of the time i do not play a single hand untill the blinds are 50/100. Only play AA, KK, AKs, and ocasionally limp with small pocket pairs to get a set.
Than when the blinds are high just survive with the same stack untill someone gets knocked out and someone will eventually because players do not have patience.
Longest game of this type that i saw at shorthanded lower buy-ins DONs was 20-25 minutes.
U can play 4 table at once but i would not suggest to a beginner to play more than 2 at a time and also i would suggest to register at the second one when the blinds are 30-60 at the first one , just because you will not want to make 2 tough decisions at 2 table at once when the clock is ticking.One mistake and you lost meaning that you will have to win the next 2 to make up for the lost money.

Anyway if you are a decent player i would suggest you to play the normal SNGs at lower buy-ins. Players are not that patient and most of the time you will find yourself in the bubble when the blinds are 50-100 and that time if you have good knoledge of the high blind play you will win the tournament if you do not have bad luck. The ROI can go from 30% to 60% easy.

a 30% ROI in sng's? Impossible!!

Rldetheflop said:

a 30% ROI in sng's? Impossible!!

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At 1-2 dollar buy-ins on a good strike u can make it.

swingro said:

At 1-2 dollar buy-ins on a good strike u can make it.

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on a good strike? you mean short term? yea you can have a very high ROI in the short term I meant over a large sample size.

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on a good strike? you mean short term? yea you can have a very high ROI in the short term I meant over a large sample size.

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Not that. I mean if you do no have a really bad luck. For me that is a lucky strike Whhen my correct game pays out and i am not busted on the river by 2 outers or 3 outers.
On a lucky strike when you hit all the flops and good cards come .. i think it can grow a lot. (never happened to me though )
I am talking about shorthanded ones cose i do not play 9 ppl sngs.
Ppl tend to knock each other out so geting ITM is not a big thing. Most of the time the wins/loses depends on your heads-up play and your skill to beat the verry big stack player that got lucky that has 2-3 times your stack..
I saw average stacks going all in during the bubble play with more than 10 BB with AQ, AJ. KQ and busted by the big stack that calls with a pair or a dominant hand. And this is happening all the time. You can play but the book but you have to tighten your self a little more than usual to let the unpatient ones to be knoked out.

ya don't care for them

i find it hard to win regular tournaments give a doublestack and i find myself just giving someone extra chips per hand..

I’ve tried these several times at Carbon. Failed to make it in 3 of my first 4 tries as I tried to play against players’ tight style. Ran into 10 10, QQ, and AK on BB when I opened shoved from BTN when the blinds started getting big. (It was no where near the bubble so I had to try to steal some blinds to build a cushion). It was pretty unreal. They were the first three shoves I had all 3 sitNgos and the BB had a big hand all three times.

After six tries, I am 3 and 3, but I am in the negative due to rake.

It’s really not worth it, but I just wanted to try this.

swingro said:

At 1-2 dollars buy-in +rake you have to win 2 out of 3 to make profit. The problem is that if you have bad luck several times you will have to work a lot to make up for the lost money.

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I have gone over this is great length every time it comes up so I wont leave you out as an exception.

The rake on the turbo is 10 cents. The rake on a regular SnG is 20 cents. If you win one DoN you make 9 cents. In order to make over 90 cents at a regular SnG you have to come in second place. if you come in 3rd you only get 60 cents. Do you really think that most people are finishing on average in 2nd place at one table SnGs. I don't

If you have a bad run at regular SnG's Let's say you lose five in a row. You are still out more than if you lose 5 DoNs in a row.

There are a lot more deatails. but the bottom line remains the same. The rake is NOT the reason to avoid this is you decide they are not for you.

I am no ta fan of the double tournaments because I feel like there are many tournaments with a better payout w/ lower buy in.

engman said:

I am no ta fan of the double tournaments because I feel like there are many tournaments with a better payout w/ lower buy in.

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This is true if you come in 1st and 2nd place every game you play in. It is also true if you play MTT vs single table.

I just went for another DoN one. Managed to squeeze out a fifth place finish.

Got unlucky twice. Middle pair hit trips twice against my top pair.

Best hand held up twice on life on the line shoves. KK vs. 88 and AK and K8.

I am only playing the $1 + 8c ones at Carbon. Worth satiating my stupid need to be on the positive end.

The first few hands generally determine how the rest of the SitNGo goes.

I like the doubleup ones that are $10 to enter better player are in so u get to play better cards.

Note that this type of game has a lot of cheating. In many cases a number of players come together and cooperate together in this game and it's very difficult to win.

It's all about surviving showdowns and getting cards. I had Ak vs. 89, lost. I had AQ vs. K9, lost.

And so I was out of both.

I play on Doyles room which is part of the cake network, same software etc and the double up NL sit n' go's are $2, $5, $10, $25 and $50. There are no turbo versions and blinds go up every 5 minutes.
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