re: Poker & Double Up SNGS on Poker Stars - which levels are easier?
Originally Posted by 5xThenFold
Received on Sept 9th, this is the second one i have received in the last 30 days, from playing DoNs on PS.
I'm aware of these notices, I never said they didn't happen. And they happen in a lot more than just DoNs.
I said I believed the scale of it to be blown out of proportion. I acknowledged the increased opportunity for collusion given the nature of DoNs. However it's never (to my knowledge, and apparently neither Stars) happened to me yet, and I've played quite a few of them. I also am observant and like to think I'd pick up on it if it happened to any regular degree. I do believe that after the Chinese ring was caught, Stars is taking steps to prevent it and to respond when it is reported, and bringing it to light also made players more wary and on the lookout. All of which I believe keeps it in a reasonable state of check.
If people are so concerned, then they simply should avoid them. Same with the garden-variety rigtards who believe all online poker is rigged -- wtf do they still play then???
If you're a winning player at DoNs, then I really don't understand the outrage, nor the perceived damage. OTOH if you're a losing player, well, losing players often find excuses for their loses, which explains the never-ending whack-job statements we get here from the rigtards. When a real cheating event does occur, like the Chinese collusion ring or the superuser scandals, it just pours more fuel on their fire and almost without exception, the loudest doomsayers are simply the biggest losers who now have another convenient excuse. This tends to paint a more dire picture than reality actually represents. There are still people to this day who insist that superusers are rampant across all sites.
None of the above paragraph was directed at you personally 5xThenFold, it's just a general observation. Only you know whether or not it applies to you. I also respect that some seriously good players turn their nose up at DoNs for the same reason (suspicion of collusion) so I'm in no way implying that everyone concerned about it is a rigtard loser.
I guess at the end of the day, if you have a winning record at DoNs, then what is the issue? Sure, maybe despite your success you actually lost some value to colluders, but I still find it hard to be indignant about it and justify your paranoia if you're actually winning at a decent rate. OTOH, for losers, or those who have never played them, then it's hard to take their concerns too seriously when there's a ton of people who aren't colluding and are still successful. I guess I repeated myself there, but whatever.
Originally Posted by 5xThenFold
I dont know what site you play on, but on stars its a very big threat that goes on constantly. Im just glad that they are aware and are refunding players money and trying their best to catch these players.
I referenced Stars in my post, as well as mentioning the Chinese ring being busted, which was also a Stars thing, so I figured it was clear I meant Stars. I've never played a DoN anywhere else. I *wish* FT had them, although I have to say I'm probably a bit more confident in Stars' ability to police them against colluders than I am FT.
To say it's a "very big threat that goes on constantly" is exactly the sort of hyperbole that I referred to above. I tend to strongly doubt that it's quite as bad as you claim, but that doesn't mean I don't think it occurs to some degree. Probably more so than in other games, just given their nature, but the truth is, it's a regular occurrence across ALL game types.