I have had some success in DONs by limping with these big hands. Especially early in a DON. If you 3bet, you're simply announcing to the whole table that you have KK+ and they will either fold out or you'll just get a shove from a guy with AA.
I'm really hesitant to raise hands in DONs preflop. I don't see much of advantage to it. Instead, why not just wait and see if you hit the flop before you start shoveling money into the middle?
I have had some success in DONs by limping with these big hands. Especially early in a DON. If you 3bet, you're simply announcing to the whole table that you have KK+ and they will either fold out or you'll just get a shove from a guy with AA.
I'm really hesitant to raise hands in DONs preflop. I don't see much of advantage to it. Instead, why not just wait and see if you hit the flop before you start shoveling money into the middle?
The problem with this approach, and it's not just limited to DoN's, is that you're letting people outflop you for cheap and then since you were too passive preflop, you have no idea where you stand and no way to put your opponent on any kind of range.
This kind of play is a recipe for getting it all in on the flop or turn because you have an overpair to the board and you think you're good, only to find out that your opponent has some crappy hand that flopped two pair or a straight. What makes it worse is that often you know he would have folded pre if you had raised.
I just made a similar mistake in an MTT today, I min-raised KK from UTG with about 12BB behind but I didn't take the antes into account, so the BB had odds to call with just about ATC. The flop was 858, suffice to say we got it all in on the flop and he turned over T8o. Giving people cheap cards to beat you is not one of the best things you can do in poker.
This is a really big leak.
These don's require different play because half get paid. I play to win no matter the situation. There are always lucky donks that just try to get it in, I would limp if in early position, and raise big if in late position, and then go from there. Very rare that aa vs kk will happen on hand one in a tourney.
See my above post. I was talking about DONs and only DONs. As another poster just wrote, these games require a completely different strategy and approach. There are games where you have to do absolutely nothing to win and then there are games where you have to do extremely unorthodox things to get into the money.
Raising 3x pre with KK is not at all a standard approach to DONs on any of the networks I play on. The competitive players just don't do it.
nobody open limps KK unless they're trying to induce an aggro-tard to shove over them.
Don't believe I've ever played a DON that low, in fact I've rarely ever played any games at those stakes unless I was experimenting or trying to setup a HUD or something. So maybe things are different there, but I kinda doubt this is as widespread as you make it out to be.Yes, and in $1.50 and $3 DONs, who do you think a lot of the villains are?
What does the buy-in have to do with bet sizing? Whether it's a $1.50 or $150 game, the object (especially in a DON) is the same: accumulate chips. If I can do that 40 at a time, I will (and do). If you have loose players who will call with a wide range, then you should be happy to get them to call your raise when you have KK. OTOH, if everybody nits up and folds to every raise, then I'm stealing them blind with a super-wide range and building my stack slowly but surely. But I won't be playing limped multi-way pots with premium hands that lose much of their equity multi-way. That's just terrible poker, period.Raising from 20 to 60 pre in a $1.50 DON isn't accomplishing anything. What, are you raising for value? 40 chips?
Yes, and in $1.50 and $3 DONs, who do you think a lot of the villains are?
Raising from 20 to 60 pre in a $1.50 DON isn't accomplishing anything. What, are you raising for value? 40 chips?