Do we need to be making adjustments for live tournaments (i.e) getting involved more

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I'm talking about 25 minute blinds 30 minute blinds at best,
do we need to be making adjustments due to no having the volume of hands?

theres not enough premium hands and alot of the time, I feel if I play the same game I would play online and do well with Its not really effective.

I think really opening up and seeing more pots is the right thing to do really>
 
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There's probably a lot of factors that would play into that decision. How many players at the table, stack size, size of blinds, the read of the players at the table, what position you're in at tournament are you close to the bubble, these are but a few. But you get the idea. Something to think about!
 
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The main adjustments you'd have to consider is the action at the table. Don't try to force anything would be my advise to you. GL!
 
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it would seem to me that it would be intuitive to open up more on the online games because the blinds go up so fast. With the 30 minute blinds, you can take the time to wait for those premium hands
 
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30 min blinds live is roughly the same as 7-8 min blinds online.

I think what you're asking about "opening up" has more to do with how fast the structure is than whether or not it is live or online.

There are adjustments to make live, and I feel like not enough folks on this forum are aware of, or care to admit these.

contrary to popular belief; live players are not terrible compared to online players. At the lowest levels you will have some recreational gamblers that maybe wander in from the casino floor and these players would NEVER just wander into an online poker site, but at the higher levels ($200+) people are there to play poker, period.

due to boredom, you can expect people to play a few more hands than that same player might play online...a few more speculative hands....a few more multiway pots but they don't necessarily play those hands poorly.

there is a phenomenon with tournament life in live poker.. people don't want to bust out of the tournament; some players have more "gamble" in them than others but busting out has a whole bunch more negative emotional and social and financial consequences than busting out online does. Because of this, I think it is MUCH MUCH MUCH easier to bluff live than online. In fact, online I almost exclusively bet for value. Now, that being said I still don't bluff a ton live. But, when I I'm playing live and I find a spot where I know this player can't call me without the nuts I'm happy to put him all in....and online when I try those same moves in the same spots I get called ridiculously light....

Your read is much more important live than it is online. I can't think of much to say to back this up, except that it's really true. Online you can pass up marginal +EV spots because you know you can find a better spot later. Live just goes slower and so you're going to be seeing fewer hands and be given fewer opportunities so you may have to take a read and put a lot of stock in it.

Everybody is only watching 1 table. That means you are watching them and THEY are watching you. Image is quite important live, and I would say it almost doesn't matter online (there are spots where it does of course). Just as important as knowing the players, is knowing your image AND knowing who is capable of adjusting to your image and who is not.
 
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missjacki said:
there is a phenomenon with tournament life in live poker.. people don't want to bust out of the tournament; some players have more "gamble" in them than others but busting out has a whole bunch more negative emotional and social and financial consequences than busting out online does. Because of this, I think it is MUCH MUCH MUCH easier to bluff live than online. In fact, online I almost exclusively bet for value. Now, that being said I still don't bluff a ton live. But, when I I'm playing live and I find a spot where I know this player can't call me without the nuts I'm happy to put him all in....and online when I try those same moves in the same spots I get called ridiculously light....
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Definitely spot on. Live cash games experience the same thing. I used to travel about 1 weekend a month to Atlantic City to play and it effected my play because I knew if I didn't do well or if I left for the night, it would be a month before I would be back to play again. Then I moved to Atlantic City and practically lived in the Tropicana and I was able to play a much better game because I didn't need to force anything. If I wasn't running well or just wasn't feeling it I could just get up and leave and come back pretty much whenever I wanted. That's one of the reasons it helps so much to know who the regulars are at the casinos and who's in for the weekend.
 
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Live gme is whole Kind of different ball game from online Play. In live all are watching your moves and so are you watching theirs as well . online ppl are super aggro n tend to call if they have hit one pair even on flop , while in live they ll watch your Body movement n might fold that. Cos of Long time Levels in live games , ppl usually Play less aggro than online . so you can wait for those prem Hands to Play in live games and that tight Image in Long run will help you steal much more in late stages
 
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missjacki said:
30 min blinds live is roughly the same as 7-8 min blinds online.

I think what you're asking about "opening up" has more to do with how fast the structure is than whether or not it is live or online.

There are adjustments to make live, and I feel like not enough folks on this forum are aware of, or care to admit these.

contrary to popular belief; live players are not terrible compared to online players. At the lowest levels you will have some recreational gamblers that maybe wander in from the casino floor and these players would NEVER just wander into an online poker site, but at the higher levels ($200+) people are there to play poker, period.

due to boredom, you can expect people to play a few more hands than that same player might play online...a few more speculative hands....a few more multiway pots but they don't necessarily play those hands poorly.

there is a phenomenon with tournament life in live poker.. people don't want to bust out of the tournament; some players have more "gamble" in them than others but busting out has a whole bunch more negative emotional and social and financial consequences than busting out online does. Because of this, I think it is MUCH MUCH MUCH easier to bluff live than online. In fact, online I almost exclusively bet for value. Now, that being said I still don't bluff a ton live. But, when I I'm playing live and I find a spot where I know this player can't call me without the nuts I'm happy to put him all in....and online when I try those same moves in the same spots I get called ridiculously light....

Your read is much more important live than it is online. I can't think of much to say to back this up, except that it's really true. Online you can pass up marginal +EV spots because you know you can find a better spot later. Live just goes slower and so you're going to be seeing fewer hands and be given fewer opportunities so you may have to take a read and put a lot of stock in it.

Everybody is only watching 1 table. That means you are watching them and THEY are watching you. Image is quite important live, and I would say it almost doesn't matter online (there are spots where it does of course). Just as important as knowing the players, is knowing your image AND knowing who is capable of adjusting to your image and who is not.
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Good post!

Another thing I will add is - if you table is very loose then tighten up a bit - and vice versa.

You will see a lot more limping and calling live - how you respond to that depends on your table. Most of the time you can't hope to raise big and get everyone to fold though. If you raise in this situation be prepared to play very well post flop. Nothing wrong with just seeing the flop with them sometimes. I have won some monster pots in situations like this.
 
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Live is different from online so definitely you have to adjust.

That 25min/30min blind is long enough.We can still recover if things go wrong because no blind pressures.

Less badbeats, less premium hands, etc at live.

Lastly, at live, have a deep understanding on poker tells since the fight is about people and less on cards.
 
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ofc u should play almost every hand while u r in position
 
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