Do turbo SNGs generally provide lower ROI?

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I was advised to play turbo SNGs because of the lower rake, but I noticed a couple of comments in this thread which suggested that turbos generally have a lower ROI.

And they said regular speed tournaments have a higher roi haha

will not believe but in reality it is so...:) it all depends on the number of tournament players, number of played tournaments and higher buyins...

In turbo and hyper always higher variance and less ROI..
Why?
 
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perhaps the skill as a factor is deduced because "push or fold" factor comes in and it can be difficult in dealing with some flips compared to regular sngs which don't raise blinds and antes as fast as turbos in turn lessening or deducting your ROI because of the factor of luck being a priority rather than skill dur to the fast paced type of play.
 
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Wouldn't that be balanced out by the higher rake and the extra time invested, when calculating an hourly return?
 
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roi depends on a few factors.

1. your skill level in the games. you can be a postflop master but still not have a very good roi in turbo sngs.

2. the style of game you play. generally the biggest rois are the players who push for high amount of first place finishes. less first place finishes with a higher itm percentage can actually mean a lower roi than someone who cashes less but has a much greater percentage of forsts.

3.amount of tables played. obv the more you play the less profitable you will be.


think theres other factors that influence roi. but generally speaking you will perform best or have your highest roi in games you enjoy most.


having said all that generally speaking you have more edge in slower speed games as players can make way more mistakes in postflop situations. turbos postflop play doesny happen as often and in hypers its very rare to fet in many postflop battles. and preflop its hard for players to make such big mistakes and since turbos and hypers are essentialky a preflop battle you will have less edge which is why the rake is less.

adding one last thing you should also think about dollar per hour turbos and hypers provide the highest return for time played and they also have all the rakeback benefits too. but again. just play what you like more and you will naturally play that game more often and want to study it so you can beat it for the most profit you can.
 
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2. the style of game you play. generally the biggest rois are the players who push for high amount of first place finishes. less first place finishes with a higher itm percentage can actually mean a lower roi than someone who cashes less but has a much greater percentage of forsts.

Yes, I think that was the main point of a recent thread by philthy.

I am more comfortable with pre-flop play than I am with post-flop play; I play very tightly and probably too passively.
 
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I was advised to play turbo SNGs because of the lower rake, but I noticed a couple of comments in this thread which suggested that turbos generally have a lower ROI.



Why?

It's because, although poker is a game of skill, the skill element of poker only emerges over time. If you have an edge over the other players the more hands you play against them the more that edge will tell.

In hypers and turbos there is less time for the edge to tell so in each SNG there is less chance for superior skill to overcome luck (variance).

ROI and hourly are different - if you're trying to make more money then you might accept a lower ROI so you can play more tables and faster structures.
 
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they do because the variance is higher
 
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they have a lower expected roi, but the reason lots of grinders play them is even with a lower roi they can have a higher win per hr, which is the more important
 
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It's a different skill, in fact I'd go as far as saying its almost a totally different game.

It's all about statistics if you want to be an expert, lots of math and range calculation.

I would say with a good hud/tracker and the right information utilised correctly it can be very profitable.
For me personally to many swings and to much headwork, although sometimes i'd rather get in 12-16 sit n go's in a session than 6-10
 
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