Dirty Tactic or Fair Play?

#1 July 27th, 2020, 3:28 AM

So I was at the final table and at the same time I was multi tabling. I was in no rush to go anywhere. So instead of playing my hands normally I just slow roll every hand with all my timer.

By the time we went down to 3 player, 1 of them I know was in a rush to go. He had 30BB, vs me 40BB and a small stack 8BB, and he was just shove or fold, with a shove or reshove rate of 70%. Since he was in a rush and I was not I just milked the timer to the max each hand to slow the game down.

From my perspective I have no reason to speed up the game, I am already playing in 2 other tournaments.

#2 July 27th, 2020, 3:57 AM

If someone is a rush to go, they should not be playing MTTs, so this is their own problem. With that being said I do think, it is bad etiquette to slow down action at the final table. Unlike when multible tables are running, their is no ICM advantage to this, so you are basically just wasting peoples time for no reason other than being a jerk. Of course if you are busy with hands at other tables, it is fair enough to use the timer. But not every hand with the main purpose of slowing the game down.

#3 July 27th, 2020, 4:10 AM

Originally Posted by fundiver199

If someone is a rush to go, they should not be playing MTTs, so this is their own problem. With that being said I do think, it is bad etiquette to slow down action at the final table. Unlike when multible tables are running, their is no ICM advantage to this, so you are basically just wasting peoples time for no reason other than being a jerk. Of course if you are busy with hands at other tables, it is fair enough to use the timer. But not every hand with the main purpose of slowing the game down.

But how about slowing down the game to reduce the blind size? I find myself much better to play from under 25BB. Above 25BB, there is a lot more turn and river moves that you need to account for. I am honestly pretty bad at knowing when to fold the turn and river. So making everyone have less effective stack would be an advantage to me.

#4 July 27th, 2020, 5:00 AM

Originally Posted by blix177

But how about slowing down the game to reduce the blind size? I find myself much better to play from under 25BB. Above 25BB, there is a lot more turn and river moves that you need to account for. I am honestly pretty bad at knowing when to fold the turn and river. So making everyone have less effective stack would be an advantage to me.

This is a fair point, which I actually thought about after posting my reply. As long as you have another purpose than just annoying people to possibly induce tilt, I would not consider it bad etiquette. My main point is, that our goal should be, that people hate us, because we are tough to play against, not because of our table demenior. We should not aim at being the next Phil Helmuth, Tony G or William Kassouf, even though it is sometimes quite funny to watch these guys be way out of line on TV Dirty Tactic or Fair Play?

#5 July 27th, 2020, 5:07 AM

Of course in the long run the better solution is to work on improving your turn and river play, so that deeper stacks are actually an advantage rather than the opposite Dirty Tactic or Fair Play?

#6 July 27th, 2020, 6:01 PM

Viewing it as potentially a way to take advantage of the situation you recognize is one way to look at it. Sure, at times you were intentionally doing that but on the flip side, you also needed more time than usual to make decisions on your final table since you were multi-tabling. Ultimately it's up to the individual on if they are "morally OK" with stalling as a purpose of potentially gaining an advantage.

#7 July 28th, 2020, 2:06 AM

Originally Posted by blix177

So I was at the final table and at the same time I was multi tabling. I was in no rush to go anywhere. So instead of playing my hands normally I just slow roll every hand with all my timer.

By the time we went down to 3 player, 1 of them I know was in a rush to go. He had 30BB, vs me 40BB and a small stack 8BB, and he was just shove or fold, with a shove or reshove rate of 70%. Since he was in a rush and I was not I just milked the timer to the max each hand to slow the game down.

From my perspective I have no reason to speed up the game, I am already playing in 2 other tournaments.

I see nothing wrong with slowing down the game because it is within your personal player 'right' to play at the speed you want to play at. Milking the timer is your own prerogative and if someone gets upset about it - that is their own issue they need to work on.

As far as making an excuse for it - regardless if you are playing multiple tables or just one - you have every right to play your own way.

I often will milk my timer nearing the end of late registration. I find it an effective tool to counter the aggro players who shove lite late in events attempting to double up. They face less hands which results in less opportunity for them.

I do think players over tank when short nearing money bubbles in live event - which in my opinion is bad etiquette, but taking a 'whole' 15 seconds on FT online is quite reasonable, not in any way bad form. We are making split decision judgements, compared to live players who take anywhere from 2 to 10+ minutes to make the same decision.

#8 July 28th, 2020, 12:49 PM

You are playing for money, you should take any advantage.
I think it was smart, not dirty.

#9 July 28th, 2020, 12:56 PM

Originally Posted by theANMATOR

I see nothing wrong with slowing down the game because it is within your personal player 'right' to play at the speed you want to play at. Milking the timer is your own prerogative and if someone gets upset about it - that is their own issue they need to work on.

To some extend I agree. I do however think, that stalling tend to be bad for the game. Let us say, that a recreational player makes his first final table appearance. Then he experience, that another player takes the maximum time to react every single hand, even if its just to fold preflop. And for him their is probably no sensible reason for this.

I think, the recreational player will find it annoying, because he at last made it to that final table, and he wants to play! He dont just want to sit and watch someone run their timer just to fold, while blinds relentlessly goes up. And if he gets sufficiently annoyed, it might be the drop in the bucket, which pursuades him to not play an MTT again.

So I think, you should at least be really sure, you are actually gaining a real edge by doing this. Otherwise I would just go with the flow and allow the game to play, which is, what the vast majority of players want.

#10 July 28th, 2020, 2:55 PM

Well, we can talk about a lot of things related to this, there are no consensus, I prefer to play more fast, but sometimes we need to slow the game, and we are in our rights. When some player are playing so many times going allin, and I can't play my best game, I will use more time to think about the game and trace another strategy.

Another example of this style of game we can see close to the ITM, where players slow the game trying to reach the bubble, It's different, but also are a way to spend you bank time.

If it was prohibited to take time to decisions, why we have a bank time?

#11 July 28th, 2020, 3:03 PM

Originally Posted by theANMATOR

I see nothing wrong with slowing down the game because it is within your personal player 'right' to play at the speed you want to play at. Milking the timer is your own prerogative and if someone gets upset about it - that is their own issue they need to work on.

As far as making an excuse for it - regardless if you are playing multiple tables or just one - you have every right to play your own way.

I often will milk my timer nearing the end of late registration. I find it an effective tool to counter the aggro players who shove lite late in events attempting to double up. They face less hands which results in less opportunity for them.

I do think players over tank when short nearing money bubbles in live event - which in my opinion is bad etiquette, but taking a 'whole' 15 seconds on FT online is quite reasonable, not in any way bad form. We are making split decision judgements, compared to live players who take anywhere from 2 to 10+ minutes to make the same decision.

I totally agree with what you said.
That's practically exactly what I think.

If someone slows down the game, feel free to do so as long as the thinking time (varies by poker room) or timebank allows it.
You do nothing but take advantage of the opportunity.
That's it. Dirty Tactic or Fair Play?

Have a nice day. Dirty Tactic or Fair Play?

#12 July 28th, 2020, 3:35 PM

I think its my time to think or play for dif. reasons, If its wrong they would make it turbo, instead of normal play an that gives you less time to play in.

#13 July 28th, 2020, 4:06 PM

I would consider this no different than stalling on the bubble. It may be annoying, but it isn't against the rules or unethical.

#14 July 28th, 2020, 4:12 PM

You have the time to do with as you will. I�ll sometimes use the timer if we�re close to the money and I�m short and just had the bb hoping to knock others out and get the blinds up. Other times I play fast hoping to see more hands if I got an average stack.

A lot of people multi table as well so they will always be a bit slower.

#15 July 28th, 2020, 4:15 PM

Originally Posted by theANMATOR

I see nothing wrong with slowing down the game because it is within your personal player 'right' to play at the speed you want to play at. Milking the timer is your own prerogative and if someone gets upset about it - that is their own issue they need to work on.

As far as making an excuse for it - regardless if you are playing multiple tables or just one - you have every right to play your own way.

I often will milk my timer nearing the end of late registration. I find it an effective tool to counter the aggro players who shove lite late in events attempting to double up. They face less hands which results in less opportunity for them.

I do think players over tank when short nearing money bubbles in live event - which in my opinion is bad etiquette, but taking a 'whole' 15 seconds on FT online is quite reasonable, not in any way bad form. We are making split decision judgements, compared to live players who take anywhere from 2 to 10+ minutes to make the same decision.

This last part isn�t true for some live tournaments now where they use the 30 second timer to speed thing up. Yes they have time chips but that similar to your online time bank. I like the 30 second timer being used and think it should become more common in large MTT.

#16 July 28th, 2020, 4:28 PM

The clock is there for everyone to do with as they please, there is nothing immoral about it, who cares what anyone else thinks.

I think you did the right thing, the blinds will eat the short stack up and the guy that's in a hurry will be playing a lot more marginal hands than normal.

Dirty Tactic or Fair Play?

here · #17 July 28th, 2020, 4:31 PM

Stalling tactics... Dirty Tactic or Fair Play?

Pretty painful for everyone trapped at a table with you and I find it a fairly marginal argument that any edge whatsoever can be derived from it.

Time is precious.

Gets a yikes from me.

No long term benefit as a strategy and just horrible for the game, I'd recommend anyone who chooses this as a winning game plan to go back to the drawing board.

The best way to deploy any kind of stalling would be to purely tilt a susceptible opponent, like the one you described as 'in a rush'.

That would be an infrequent occurrence, not a default strategy.

#18 July 28th, 2020, 5:27 PM

Originally Posted by Tracid

Stalling tactics... Dirty Tactic or Fair Play?

Pretty painful for everyone trapped at a table with you and I find it a fairly marginal argument that any edge whatsoever can be derived from it.

Time is precious.

Gets a yikes from me.

No long term benefit as a strategy and just horrible for the game, I'd recommend anyone who chooses this as a winning game plan to go back to the drawing board.

The best way to deploy any kind of stalling would be to purely tilt a susceptible opponent, like the one you described as 'in a rush'.

That would be an infrequent occurrence, not a default strategy.

Probably agree overall with this comment. Poker is a game of luck. End of the day played either very well or very badly... Dirty Tactic or Fair Play?

#19 July 28th, 2020, 6:01 PM

I'm kind of torn on this one. As far as timebank usage goes, I am probably the complete opposite of blix. I have never been in the habit of stalling. I always want to see more hands. Even though it might irritate the heck out of me and may be bad poker etiquette, it's obviously not against any rule. And if I'm being honest, I can see how it puts enormous pressure on the short stacks as the clock ticks towards the next blind level. Still, I don't want to be that guy that makes the game unbearable for the whole table because I think that there may be some benefit to having everyone be pissed at me. This seems like some of that bull crud that people do online, but wouldn't pull in a live game, except for Jordan Cristos. Look him up. Trust me, you don't want to be that guy.

#20 July 29th, 2020, 4:38 AM

Originally Posted by fundiver199

To some extend I agree. I do however think, that stalling tend to be bad for the game. Let us say, that a recreational player makes his first final table appearance. Then he experience, that another player takes the maximum time to react every single hand, even if its just to fold preflop. And for him their is probably no sensible reason for this.

I think, the recreational player will find it annoying, because he at last made it to that final table, and he wants to play! He dont just want to sit and watch someone run their timer just to fold, while blinds relentlessly goes up. And if he gets sufficiently annoyed, it might be the drop in the bucket, which pursuades him to not play an MTT again.

So I think, you should at least be really sure, you are actually gaining a real edge by doing this. Otherwise I would just go with the flow and allow the game to play, which is, what the vast majority of players want.

I see your point of view, but I never really thought anyone would alter their play based on what someone else thought of that 'type' of play. Seems opposite of a winning strategy, though if a concern is butts in seats - I can see why someone would try not to make anyone else feel uncomfortable.

And the main point of my post - was to point out we are literally taking 15 seconds on a decision. 15 seconds - ya know is a tiny amount of time - compared to live events - other than the 30 second shot clock events mentioned by other post.

fundiver you write eloquent, in-depth, knowledgeable, and thoughtful responses to a lot of posts. The amount of information in those posts - can not possibly be considered in 10 seconds or less. So to me - 12-15 total seconds to make one decision is quite fast, and acceptable. Consider villians ranges, tendencies, position in event, duration of event, type of player, stack sizes, players left to act, balanced play, conserving or attacking etc etc. A lot to consider in the allotted time. 12 seconds is not tanking/milking, it's reasonable.

I also play quite fast as others have said, except nearing the end of late reg., but I don't think taking 12-15 whole seconds to make a decision is unreasonable.

Originally Posted by Psyanide14

This last part isn�t true for some live tournaments now where they use the 30 second timer to speed thing up. Yes they have time chips but that similar to your online time bank. I like the 30 second timer being used and think it should become more common in large MTT.

Yes - I totally forgot about those events. I agree - I also like the 30 second time limit imposed in live play. It makes for much more enjoyable viewing. (I have not played live yet).

#21 July 29th, 2020, 4:45 AM

I find slowing down the game can work in your favour in many situations eg, when your short stacked and the button has passed you and your near the bubble.

#22 July 29th, 2020, 5:18 AM

Originally Posted by theANMATOR

I also play quite fast as others have said, except nearing the end of late reg., but I don't think taking 12-15 whole seconds to make a decision is unreasonable.

Taking 12-15 seconds to make a decision is not stalling. Stalling is, when you are not yet involved in the action, and you know, you are not going to play, but yet you still use the maximum time for folding. Like for instance you have J3 offsuit in HJ.

In this situation I typically preselect "fold", so my action is instant, when its my turn. This not only speed up action but also allow me to concentrate about those tables, where I am actually going to play a hand.

#23 July 29th, 2020, 3:21 PM

This is a dirty game. I don't know why you were waiting. If it was more comfortable for you to play this is the right game. You plays for cash. If he was in a hurry, it wasn't your problem, it was his problem. As they say in the Italian mafia Nothing personal, just business.

#24 July 29th, 2020, 4:10 PM

No rules are broken, nothing dirty here. From the etiquette point of view people will debate it either which way. I think your actions were within your right but I would not do the same.

Honestly, I just feel bad for that third player Dirty Tactic or Fair Play?

#25 July 29th, 2020, 4:41 PM

Originally Posted by blix177

So I was at the final table and at the same time I was multi tabling. I was in no rush to go anywhere. So instead of playing my hands normally I just slow roll every hand with all my timer.

By the time we went down to 3 player, 1 of them I know was in a rush to go. He had 30BB, vs me 40BB and a small stack 8BB, and he was just shove or fold, with a shove or reshove rate of 70%. Since he was in a rush and I was not I just milked the timer to the max each hand to slow the game down.

From my perspective I have no reason to speed up the game, I am already playing in 2 other tournaments.

This is just stupid. Why would you do this to the other players? It's poor table etiquette.

#26 July 29th, 2020, 6:09 PM

Originally Posted by IntenseHeat

I'm kind of torn on this one. As far as timebank usage goes, I am probably the complete opposite of blix. I have never been in the habit of stalling. I always want to see more hands. Even though it might irritate the heck out of me and may be bad poker etiquette, it's obviously not against any rule. And if I'm being honest, I can see how it puts enormous pressure on the short stacks as the clock ticks towards the next blind level. Still, I don't want to be that guy that makes the game unbearable for the whole table because I think that there may be some benefit to having everyone be pissed at me. This seems like some of that bull crud that people do online, but wouldn't pull in a live game, except for Jordan Cristos. Look him up. Trust me, you don't want to be that guy.

In this scenario the whole table consists of 3 players, slowing down play puts pressure on the short stack.

Which guy don't you want to be, the guy with the winning mindset?

Dirty Tactic or Fair Play?

#27 July 29th, 2020, 6:19 PM

If you elect to play this way, I won't object. You have every right to behave as you want within the rules. But don't expect me to champion your behavior. I feel like purposefully running down the clock each turn is rude and of minimal value.

If you feel it gives you an advantage, then play your game.

#28 July 29th, 2020, 6:27 PM

playing slowly, you do not break the rules, for this you need a time bank, any adequate player understands this, although such a game can be annoying, but I myself often see how players waste time on the bubble

#29 July 29th, 2020, 6:38 PM

Just to be clear which most seem to understand in the comments but still, what you are describing is not a slow roll, A slow roll indicates that you have the Nuts have won the hand already but are draining the clock because you are being annoying to the person.

What you described is slow playing the hands and using that to your advantage because your opponent was in a hurry. There are too many variables in online play to look at this as a nefarious move imo. First of all you are simply using the tools availble to you to gain an edge. Whether or not its proper etiquite is a moral question at best and not necessarily one that should matter imo. All you should be focused on at this point is playing in a +EV manner and if using the clock fits that than so be it.

A reasonably seasoned online player will understand this they may or may not agree with it but its part of the online gameplay. So I see nothing wrong with this.

And as stated above your opponents need to leave for an appointment or whatever is not your concern and certainly not your responsibility to adjust because of it.

Originally Posted by blix177

So I was at the final table and at the same time I was multi tabling. I was in no rush to go anywhere. So instead of playing my hands normally I just slow roll every hand with all my timer.

By the time we went down to 3 player, 1 of them I know was in a rush to go. He had 30BB, vs me 40BB and a small stack 8BB, and he was just shove or fold, with a shove or reshove rate of 70%. Since he was in a rush and I was not I just milked the timer to the max each hand to slow the game down.

From my perspective I have no reason to speed up the game, I am already playing in 2 other tournaments.

#30 July 29th, 2020, 6:48 PM

You know what? I'll just quote Mike Mcdermott from Rounders '' "it's immoral to let a sucker keep his money '' So, Never Give a Sucker an Even Break.

#31 July 29th, 2020, 6:58 PM

Originally Posted by acemenow

Just to be clear which most seem to understand in the comments but still, what you are describing is not a slow roll, A slow roll indicates that you have the Nuts have won the hand already but are draining the clock because you are being annoying to the person.

What you described is slow playing the hands and using that to your advantage because your opponent was in a hurry. There are too many variables in online play to look at this as a nefarious move imo. First of all you are simply using the tools available to you to gain an edge. Whether or not its proper etiquette is a moral question at best and not necessarily one that should matter imo. All you should be focused on at this point is playing in a +EV manner and if using the clock fits that than so be it.

A reasonably seasoned online player will understand this they may or may not agree with it but its part of the online gameplay. So I see nothing wrong with this.

And as stated above your opponents need to leave for an appointment or whatever is not your concern and certainly not your responsibility to adjust because of it.

Especially 3 handed with 1 short stack and 1 wanting to leave, the clock is your best friend in this scenario. Let the blinds KO the shorty and stall against the guy wanting to leave, he may end up sitting out happy with 2nd place, that's an easy 1st place.

I don't understand this "I don't want to be that guy" this is 3 handed,
if they don't want to be that guy then why are they playing poker for. Dirty Tactic or Fair Play?

Is it to min cash???

Dirty Tactic or Fair Play?

#32 August 2nd, 2020, 6:17 AM

There is no reason for you to rush, everyone is on an equal footing and limited by their time. And only you decide how to dispose of them. In this situation, I would have thought a little longer) And it was better to choose hands for all in)

#33 August 2nd, 2020, 9:18 AM

Originally Posted by Zorba

In this scenario the whole table consists of 3 players, slowing down play puts pressure on the short stack.

Which guy don't you want to be, the guy with the winning mindset?
Dirty Tactic or Fair Play?

First, this scenario did not begin when the whole table consisted of 3 players. He says that by the time they got down to 3 players, one of them was in a rush to go. But his post indicates that he played whole final table in this manner. Last week I finished 4th in a tournament that started at 11:00 PM. It was like 7:00 AM by the time we got to the final table. It probably took another two and a half hours for the final table to play out. And that's without anybody stalling the game. The only place I had to go when it was over was to bed. Even then I wouldn't have appreciated having another hour added to the length of the game by someone's slow play.

Second, since you quoted the post, you should have read it. Do what it says. Look up Jordan Cristos. By the time you get done typing his last name into google, the top suggestion below his name is "Jordan Cristos Tanking". This guy had the floor called on him more than twenty times in one day at the WSOP a couple of years back. Most people don't realize that he has over two million in tournament winnings. Instead, what he is known for is being the slowest player in poker. Other players absolutely despise him for it. There are multiple twitter threads about how much people hate his slow play. It is widely believed by a lot of players that people like him ruin the game of poker by making it unbearable to play at a table with them and even worse to watch on TV, which lowers the games overall popularity. That's the guy I don't want to be.

#34 August 2nd, 2020, 12:02 PM

Originally Posted by blix177

So I was at the final table and at the same time I was multi tabling. I was in no rush to go anywhere. So instead of playing my hands normally I just slow roll every hand with all my timer.

By the time we went down to 3 player, 1 of them I know was in a rush to go. He had 30BB, vs me 40BB and a small stack 8BB, and he was just shove or fold, with a shove or reshove rate of 70%. Since he was in a rush and I was not I just milked the timer to the max each hand to slow the game down.

From my perspective I have no reason to speed up the game, I am already playing in 2 other tournaments.

Appreciate your honesty blix177 while I never time bank on bubble as pointless as hand for hand anyway or final table personally,
It is your game and money play it however you wish,
Would not bother me if I was your opponent on that table to be honest either.
If people are fuming over clock usage they need to relax and work on their self control to be honest though in my opinion.
Online clock runs fairly fast anyway couple of seconds but I understand the frustration though at live players taking an eternity to fold their J2 off suit for example every single hand.

#35 August 2nd, 2020, 12:13 PM

I definitely don�t like slowing down the game in the final table, but again it�s your right to use your time how ever you want. So, my thinking is that if you want to slow roll it�s your legit right. If someone is inpatient, that�s he�s problem.

#36 August 2nd, 2020, 12:38 PM

it is true that it must be painful for your opponents to manage to have to wait for the stopwatch to stop with each hand you play. I put myself in their place especially at the end of the game when the nerves are sharp and fatigue is felt. but it is a strategy like any other. you have the right to apply it and enjoy the benefits it brings to you.

#37 August 2nd, 2020, 12:52 PM

Originally Posted by acemenow

Just to be clear which most seem to understand in the comments but still, what you are describing is not a slow roll, A slow roll indicates that you have the Nuts have won the hand already but are draining the clock because you are being annoying to the person.

Or to be more precise: You are facing an all-in, you are closing action, and you have the nuts or at least a hand, which is so strong, that you are never going to even consider folding it. But instead of just calling as fast as possible you take actions to make your opponent think, you are going to fold or call with a worse hand than his.

This will always include delaying action but often also some kind of mimic or table talk to pretend, you are unhappy with the situation. A famous example is Shaun Deep vs. Mike Matusow at Poker Night in America. Mike has JJ on a low board and plays it very fast against Shaun, who flopped quads with 55. On the turn Mike overbet shoves, and Shaun takes a bit of time while making faces, before he announce "ok I call".

In live poker a slowroll can also be done at showdown. If for instance the board is JJ842, a player holding JJ might say "I have a pair".... pause.... "and another pair" before presenting his quads. Or a player holding top set with AA might say "I have an ace" (flipping over one and giving hope to the opponent, who has already shown AK)...... pause..... "and another ace" flipping over his last card. This is against the rules in pretty much any card room.

#38 August 2nd, 2020, 1:00 PM

Originally Posted by IntenseHeat

Last week I finished 4th in a tournament that started at 11:00 PM. It was like 7:00 AM by the time we got to the final table. It probably took another two and a half hours for the final table to play out. And that's without anybody stalling the game. The only place I had to go when it was over was to bed. Even then I wouldn't have appreciated having another hour added to the length of the game by someone's slow play.

Exactly. A final table dragging out is typically going to be annoying for everyone, even if they dont "have to go". Also if you are a winning player / playing for profit, you want to make the best possible use of your own time, which you certainly dont do by slowing action at the final table. On the contrary you might want to sometimes cut the final table short by making a deal, when its down to 2-3 players, if you dont have an obvious edge on the opponent(s). OP say, he is more comfortable playing with shorter stacks, which I guess is fair enough. But the far superior solution is to become better at postflop play for instance by practicing with cash games or maybe some slow structure deep stacked MTTs.

#39 August 13th, 2020, 10:07 AM

My personal opinion is ...
if you are the aggressor taking a long time is beneficial.
Blinds go up whilst less hands get dealt.
Bigger blinds to steal and less chance of hands to defend against you.
If you are a tight player than seeing more hands cheaply and quickly would be more preferable.
Its all about your strategy and your opponents strategy's complex relationship

#40 August 13th, 2020, 11:35 AM

playing slowly, you do not break the rules

Actually you do break the rules. But I do that. I do that everytime. If I am not with a big stack. Or if I play a satellite. Had two warnings from Stars, back in the days. That's it.

#41 August 13th, 2020, 3:28 PM

Originally Posted by UkoChebuko

Actually you do break the rules. But I do that. I do that everytime. If I am not with a big stack. Or if I play a satellite. Had two warnings from Stars, back in the days. That's it.

There is nothing in their current TOS about stalling action. I also regularly do this on the bubble, unless I am a big stack and can "bully" other players on the table.

#42 August 13th, 2020, 3:30 PM

It is not good or bad cards that are important, it is important to be able to play with bad ones. What matters is not what cards you actually have, but what they think the enemy is.

#43 August 13th, 2020, 3:33 PM

it's not a tactic, you just annoy everyone with it.But on the other hand it's your right, play as whatever you want.But it's better not to do it like that it's not pretty

#44 August 13th, 2020, 4:02 PM

I believe that one has the right to play taking the time that he wants, and for whatever reasons he deems appropriate. Poker must be played early. Thinking what one is going to do. I think anxiety and speed don't go hand in hand with this game. Dirty Tactic or Fair Play?

#45 August 13th, 2020, 4:18 PM

"There is nothing in their current TOS about stalling action".

I don't know what is "TOS", some "rules of the room" maybe. In any room are some words for this. "Slow game", "slowing game"....You can take ban for this. In theory. But I never heard about ban for "tanking". I mean there are some cases, online, life, but I never ever actually saw someone in the forums. But I had warnings for this. I am not lying, why I should...

#46 August 13th, 2020, 4:39 PM

Originally Posted by UkoChebuko

"There is nothing in their current TOS about stalling action".

I don't know what is "TOS", some "rules of the room" maybe. In any room are some words for this. "Slow game", "slowing game"....You can take ban for this. In theory. But I never heard about ban for "tanking". I mean there are some cases, online, life, but I never ever actually saw someone in the forums. But I had warnings for this. I am not lying, why I should...

It is weird they would take action. It is like you get 15 seconds per hand. But you are only allow to use 14 seconds.

#47 August 13th, 2020, 4:57 PM

I think when a person does not deliberately delay time because of multitabling he usually does not notice it, but if you focus on it, it is done on purpose, there are no rules for how to play poker and everyone can do what they want, but everyone has the right to be annoyed or not, so do not be surprised if someone calls you an idiot, because this is also their style of play and perhaps gives them an advantage. Dirty Tactic or Fair Play?

#48 August 13th, 2020, 5:03 PM

Well, see the things from their eyes. What can they do!? There is a "hand for hand" rule. One player before the money , these days is two players more often, sometime three. But this is bad for the online poker. All of this.

A lot of blood from my nose. WTF..The jewish god is punish me for tanking Dirty Tactic or Fair Play?

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I said to them "I play many tables, 20-24". And they "we don't care, play faster at the bubble or you will take ban the next time". But this is a lie ofc. I can play 20 tables and still not slowing the game. And they know that...The jewish guys. They are not dumb...

#49 August 13th, 2020, 5:18 PM

TOS = Terms Of Service, and on PokerStars these say nothing about stalling. Neither do their tournament rules, which you can also find on the homepage. Not saying, that this did not happen as described, but maybe they have actually come to their senses.

I also dont see, why stalling is even a problem for the poker site. The tournament will finish around the same time anyway, and they got their money already. So why do they even care. Most likely a customer complained, and then a staff member took a fairly misguided line of action. He should just have told the customer, that other players can take as much time, as they like.

#50 August 13th, 2020, 5:23 PM

Ok, mate, I am not lying. Do you really want to find this words in this TOS thing? I will do that for you. If you want. I am little drunk, but for the big truth I will find this.

Mate... I can't do this right now. But in this forum Google finds topics for this. Some players said "Stars sent me a warning". "You will be banned the next time". There are some rules for this. They can't just close your acc without explanation...Without some rules. Even some "hidden rules". With small letters...

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