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Originally Posted by Propane Goat
Great topic, I've never looked into these in depth yet. It's funny, if you make this hand it's one of those where you actually want to see Aces on the board when you don't have any in the hole.
I was just talking about 4 card board straights. They suck. But this happened earlier:
Ok, 30-60 blinds. I'm in the hijack position w QJ off when it is folded around to me. I 3x it coming in. Folds to BB and SB, who float.
Flop comes 6h
-9s-5s. BB and SB folds to me. I could C-bet here, but it is a fairly coordinated board. I think "A flush/st8 draw, a set or bluffer will 3 bet me, a made st8 would have bet (7-8). So screw it, I check as well."
Next card of is a 8c
Hmmm......Sb bets out 90. BB calls. I think, I gotta fold, right? I got nothing. Then I remember my original thoughts; I am pretty sure this was not a made st8. Or a set. You would bet 2/3 or pot at least here, right, with a 7 in your hand? Scare off a higher st8 draw. Why the small bet? I smell blood...
So I chase two possible hands. What hands? A board
st8 (7) AND a st8 with my QJ (10), of course! I just turned a DBB! Well, sort of, lol.
So, It's 90 into a 360 pot. That is 4 to one. I have 4 outs to the board st8, which I don't think they have yet. So, I count my 2 Q's, 2 J's, 3 10's as well (non-spade). Thats 11 outs, I am only approx. 5 to one to make it (rule of 2). But, if no flush...that's 14 outs. That is 3.5 to one now. I hate chasing a st8 into a flush, but I don't think that is what I am up against. I think if I make the 10, I will make some chips. They must have something. So, screw it, I call the 90 using the 3.5 instead of 5 to one. This is borderline to me.
Next card off is the 7h
. I just made a board st8! So, I can bluff, bet it big, it looks like I raised preflop with A-10 maybe! And, thats the only hand that can beat me, one with a ten. High/low kicker is pointless.
Well, the BB checks, the SB bombs it for about 3/4 pot, to 450! Crap! I am screwed, right? No way! I think what 10 could really be in here, A-10? Did he just bet with what I was going to bluff with? Well, why would you bet such a large amount? You want to get callers if you just rivered a st8, right? Value bet. 3/4 pot is not a value bet. Would he chase this odd ball 10 high st8, or would he have called that turn bet with a middle pair? Guy is full of it! Some pair, that is all, gotta be!
I call. BB folds. Guy shows A-5 off. Split pot, thanks for not thinking this out, BB. Otherwise, I would have only broke even on that one!