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Hi all!

I was playing the cc freeroll earlier and found myself in a weird spot (looking at it afterwards).
36 are in the money. 38 are left.
I have 10.5 BB left (28/38)

Hand comes Tc3d.
Mp raises 2.2 BB
Btn calls
All others folded

Should I call here considering we're near the bubble? I would call in any other phase unless i was really short stacked.

Flop came Ts Td 8s

That made me think I really could have bet 1.2BB in that spot. But it's still poker and I prefer being sure of getting ITM.
 
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Hi all!

I was playing the cc freeroll earlier and found myself in a weird spot (looking at it afterwards).
36 are in the money. 38 are left.
I have 10.5 BB left (28/38)

Hand comes Tc3d.
Mp raises 2.2 BB
Btn calls
All others folded

Should I call here considering we're near the bubble? I would call in any other phase unless i was really short stacked.

Flop came Ts Td 8s

That made me think I really could have bet 1.2BB in that spot. But it's still poker and I prefer being sure of getting ITM.



103o is definitely not a hand we should be defending our BB with on a bubble. Even if we make a hand it's very easy to still be behind and the only good flops for us involve flopping trips or two pair which is highly unlikely. Just fold. It's lower variance and all around better. If u had like 89s I would say definitely call but 103o? Happy to let it go
 
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Good thing you flopped well. However, you shouldn't be playing any hands near the bubble unless you are the one about to bubble chip wise. It's hard to keep that poker mentality, but 10bb effective T3 off is a fold.
 
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Good thing you flopped well. However, you shouldn't be playing any hands near the bubble unless you are the one about to bubble chip wise. It's hard to keep that poker mentality, but 10bb effective T3 off is a fold.



That's not true. The bubble is the best time in the tournament to exploit your opponents who have your "fold everything" mentality
 
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103o is one of the worst hands, it's an easy fold. Why would you ever defend BB with 10.5BB with 103o?
 
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103o is one of the worst hands, it's an easy fold. Why would you ever defend BB with 10.5BB with 103o?
Because in the long run we make money playing those hands.

The question is. Should we play at all near the bubble with a mediocre hand? The T3o specifically doesnt really matter.

I posted the flop because thats what made me think about it.
 
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I feel like most ppl are focussing too much on T3o and the flop.

There are 7 BB in the pot, and we have 1.2 to call. And we're the last person to play that round.

Postflop its probably always shove/fold. And what difference does an allin of 9.3BB make compared to 10.5 if we have to fold?
If I lose the 1.2 BB i can still pretty easily make the money.

The more I think about it the more I would call next time with a mediocre hand or better.


Thoughts?
 
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I feel like most ppl are focussing too much on T3o and the flop.

There are 7 BB in the pot, and we have 1.2 to call. And we're the last person to play that round.

Postflop its probably always shove/fold. And what difference does an allin of 9.3BB make compared to 10.5 if we have to fold?
If I lose the 1.2 BB i can still pretty easily make the money.

The more I think about it the more I would call next time with a mediocre hand or better.


Thoughts?



Your logic is fundamentally flawed because you are overlooking the chance that you for example, flop a 10 and are still behind. 103o has awful reverse implied odds and basically no draws to allow you to semi bluff jam and to top it all off you will be OOP post
 
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Your logic is fundamentally flawed because you are overlooking the chance that you for example, flop a 10 and are still behind. 103o has awful reverse implied odds and basically no draws to allow you to semi bluff jam and to top it all off you will be OOP post
Fair point. So you'd never defend it? Or would there be situations you can?
 
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if just call and any raise...yes u call ...but if any raise before dont call just fold
 
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Fair point. So you'd never defend it? Or would there be situations you can?



There are definitely great hands to defend with. 103o is just not one of them. It's mostly hands that flop high equity but aren't made yet like high pocket pairs. Examples would be suited connectors, suited gappers etc. we want to put ourselves into a position where there's a decent number of flops that don't make our eyes bleed
 
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Because in the long run we make money playing those hands.

The question is. Should we play at all near the bubble with a mediocre hand? The T3o specifically doesn't really matter.

I posted the flop because that's what made me think about it.

How big is their stack could make a difference but with only 10 BB left I wouldn't be donking off any chips your looking for an all in move or wait out the bubble with that stack . If you just call there's way to much chance flop is not going to favor you and there's no way you can push so it's a easy fold . Then try to steal the next hand or 2nd one .
 
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I feel like most ppl are focussing too much on T3o and the flop.

There are 7 BB in the pot, and we have 1.2 to call. And we're the last person to play that round.

Postflop its probably always shove/fold. And what difference does an allin of 9.3BB make compared to 10.5 if we have to fold?
If I lose the 1.2 BB i can still pretty easily make the money.

The more I think about it the more I would call next time with a mediocre hand or better.


Thoughts?

but you are only looking at the pot not the odds of hitting trips or 2 pair on flop as that's about all you can push with so odds are against you . the odds of trips 424 -1 the odds of 2 pair 49 -1 the odds you get from your call are 5.8 - 1
 
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Fair point. So you'd never defend it? Or would there be situations you can?
Lul, if the flop had been AK4r, this hand would never have been posted, the fact that you posted what the flop was shows you are being result oriented when questioning this spot.

Rarely ever is there going to be a situation where defending T3o is going to be a winning play. Perhaps if we are 200bb+ facing a minraise vs a weak player and there are no other callers we can consider defending it, but T3o is such a trashy hand and doesn't have much more value than a hand like 72o or 83o.

In shortstacked spots <15bb from the BB, we are looking to defend hands that flop decent equity or made hands so we can x/shove happily. A hand like T3o does not do that.
 
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Lul, if the flop had been AK4r, this hand would never have been posted, the fact that you posted what the flop was shows you are being result oriented when questioning this spot.

Rarely ever is there going to be a situation where defending T3o is going to be a winning play. Perhaps if we are 200bb+ facing a minraise vs a weak player and there are no other callers we can consider defending it, but T3o is such a trashy hand and doesn't have much more value than a hand like 72o or 83o.

In shortstacked spots <15bb from the BB, we are looking to defend hands that flop decent equity or made hands so we can x/shove happily. A hand like T3o does not do that.



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LOL out loud.
Yeah I've read articles about defending blinds now. Opinion changed.
I was basing that off of 1 video I saw. 1 quote that i interpreted badly.

There are spots where it should be profitable but I need a HUD for that. Im on vacation playing on my phone so for now I'll keep folding.

Thx for the feedback guys. Learned a lot!
 
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I agree with lots of others that defending with T3o isn't a good idea. You're very behind on many Hands that beat you on any other flop. Seeing as you flopped trips, I'd check shove the flop cause the only two hands that beat you are T8 and 88.
 
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If you are defending with 10/3 on the bubble your just punting chips. Most times you are not going to flop trips and likely be way behind. You do not have the stack to be defending loosely. When you have 10-15 bigs the best play is to shove and you certainly do not wanna shove with that hand. P
 
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You shouldn't play this cards, you will lose most of the times
 
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