Deep MTT mistake moves or not?

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Late MTT - deep stack - mistake playing QhTh (position) into a tight table or not?

I played yesterday a nice mtt with 8K$ GAR - BlackChipPoker and was a moment in last 100players that the game was preety tight at my table. In this period i could grow my stack really consistent just stealing the blind or playing aggresive on flop.

In last 40players was in first 7players like the stack and on my table were a lot of shortstacks. Most of the time i called with 2-4bb the others allin.

The worst moment was when i distroyed my stack with QhTh. I was in HJ. My stack was 214k with blinds 3k/6k ...i bet preflop 13k and someone from sb with 83k chips called me (snap) - flop Ad9h10s , he check , i definelly bet ...21k chips ...he called after a time of thinking....turn 8h... i bet 21k ( he is prepairing to call with his last 49k chips) , he push and i must call....river 10d...i saw at him 88....pocket ....fullhouse...beat me that .
What ure thinking?
 
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Sometimes for mixing i will limp HJ! But i like your preflop play!

I would give freebie on flop and re-evaluate! Cbet is also fine but it is really difficult to play if we get called!
 
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I'm with you right up to the turn - kind of. He flat called your preflop raise and check-called your big Cbet; you have to assume he has something, right? Over Pair, pocket pair, top pair, draw, set, something! You had...one middle pair and a draw on a very draw heavy board. What if he had an Ace? You still would have lost.

So, you check the turn, hoping to get a flush on the river. Question is, what would he have done then? Bet the river? Shove the river? Or just check, assuming you would bet in order to check raise you? You have a hand with some showdown potential but basically no more than a bluff catcher.

You want to bully shorter stacks, but this was almost 1/2 your stack lost. With nothing but a lone single pair and few outs with one card to come.

However, think about what happened...the action folded around to you and then you raised. This looks weak, right, from the HJ position? And the SB has a wayyyy wide range here. The check on the flop makes him look weak as well, but with that coordinated of a flop...see what I mean? IMO, you should have gone into pot-control mode here post turn. Checking the flop here even is not overly horrible, as it was a coordinated board. The C-bet has been grossly overused and misused frankly. And notice after he hit his set, he checked...was it because he just knew you would bet? Had you checked, he might have bet small on the river holding such a big hand as a set worried that you would not be strong enough to call too big a bet.
 
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Strong argument...first of it

I'm with you right up to the turn - kind of. He flat called your preflop raise and check-called your big Cbet; you have to assume he has something, right? Over Pair, pocket pair, top pair, draw, set, something! You had...one middle pair and a draw on a very draw heavy board. What if he had an Ace? You still would have lost.

So, you check the turn, hoping to get a flush on the river. Question is, what would he have done then? Bet the river? Shove the river? Or just check, assuming you would bet in order to check raise you? You have a hand with some showdown potential but basically no more than a bluff catcher.

You want to bully shorter stacks, but this was almost 1/2 your stack lost. With nothing but a lone single pair and few outs with one card to come.

However, think about what happened...the action folded around to you and then you raised. This looks weak, right, from the HJ position? And the SB has a wayyyy wide range here. The check on the flop makes him look weak as well, but with that coordinated of a flop...see what I mean? IMO, you should have gone into pot-control mode here post turn. Checking the flop here even is not overly horrible, as it was a coordinated board. The C-bet has been grossly overused and misused frankly. And notice after he hit his set, he checked...was it because he just knew you would bet? Had you checked, he might have bet small on the river holding such a big hand as a set worried that you would not be strong enough to call too big a bet.

Thanks for this argument... put him on QK post flop...for sure not ace there....he would reraise min or push (because it was a tight-agg player). And for shure he wouldn't call there from sb with A2-A9suited or not....when i saw his push in turn ...for shure i put him on AT...but had my flush stright draw...
 
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seeing an ace on the river you have to slow the pace.
 
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Great thing about poker

The great thing about poker is there are dozens of ways to play hands and sometimes no matter how those decisions play out, the end result would be the same. Regardless of what he had, i like the way you played the hand. You were mathematically inclined to call on the turn. But i would have preferred to check on the turn. If its a tight table, a post flop call most certianly is pair of aces or better. Check the turn and see what comes on the river. It makes your decision on the river much easier depdning on what the card is. In this situation you ran into bad luck and a stupid player. Most likely if you check the turn the dude will eithier value bet or push all in. At that point youi can flat call his value bet and save some chips or if he pushes you have a chance to make a miracle fold. Either way you prolly lose.
 
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Thanks for this argument... put him on QK post flop...for sure not ace there....he would reraise min or push (because it was a tight-agg player). And for shure he wouldn't call there from sb with A2-A9suited or not....when i saw his push in turn ...for shure i put him on AT...but had my flush stright draw...


you think he'd passively call... & invest 40% of his stack on the flop with KQ? WOW! I thought you figured him to be Tight TAG player? (he only has 20bb's pre).
 
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Stupid call by him on flop and he got lucky on turn. Later on turn you couldn't do anything even you checked turn he would push on river...
For me you played just fine to take more chips, but you was out of luck after flop.
 
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