Clambake420
Rock Star
Silver Level
I want to post this hand here instead of HH thread because im more concerned with the sng strategy aspect of this then the hand itself. Im pretty sure what i did here is a standard play with only being in the 2nd level blinds and multiple limpers. I don't want to build a pot OOP and these guys have been limping a ton, just not sure who's limp/folding yet. Is my thinking correct here? And am i really only raising QQ+ here? (maybe JJ, but i dont like it).
PokerStars - $1+$0.20|15/30 NL (9 max) - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3
CO: 1,450.00
BTN: 1,465.00
SB: 935.00
Hero (BB): 1,470.00
UTG: 1,875.00
UTG+1: 1,735.00
MP: 3,270.00
MP+1: 1,300.00
SB posts SB 15.00, Hero posts BB 30.00
Pre Flop: (45.00) Hero has K♣ A♦
fold, UTG+1 calls 30.00, MP calls 30.00, fold, CO calls 30.00, fold, fold, Hero checks
Flop: (135.00, 4 players) 2♣ 6♦ 2♠
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, MP checks, CO bets 70.00, fold, fold, fold
CO wins 135.00
PokerStars - $1+$0.20|15/30 NL (9 max) - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3
CO: 1,450.00
BTN: 1,465.00
SB: 935.00
Hero (BB): 1,470.00
UTG: 1,875.00
UTG+1: 1,735.00
MP: 3,270.00
MP+1: 1,300.00
SB posts SB 15.00, Hero posts BB 30.00
Pre Flop: (45.00) Hero has K♣ A♦
fold, UTG+1 calls 30.00, MP calls 30.00, fold, CO calls 30.00, fold, fold, Hero checks
Flop: (135.00, 4 players) 2♣ 6♦ 2♠
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, MP checks, CO bets 70.00, fold, fold, fold
CO wins 135.00
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Lofwyr
Rock Star
Silver Level
^^^ Personally I don't like taking AKo and making it a passive drawing hand here. OOP it'll be tough to extract good value when you hit and against 4 people you might not be good even with TPTK. Since it's offsuit it plays much worse post-flop than suited as well. I can see the merit of keeping the pot small, but I prefer to do that with a more marginal holding like AJ/AQ/KQ etc.
I think here I'd be raising to something like 210-240 and c-betting a wide range of flops. Probably be raising 99+, AK and a portion of my AQ/AJs/KQs.
Given the action, I'd be tempted to put in a raise on the flop here...the main thing holding me back would be the presence of 2 people behind. The raise would even be for value as AK is often the best hand here and playing from the BB you can rep virtually anything. I don't see CO going with a bet/call line as his range is mostly air here. If he does just call a raise his range is probably pretty weak. Small PP's and overs with the occasional monster (66/A2). It sets you up pretty nicely to fire the 2nd barrel on the turn, especially if a Q+ peels.
I think here I'd be raising to something like 210-240 and c-betting a wide range of flops. Probably be raising 99+, AK and a portion of my AQ/AJs/KQs.
Given the action, I'd be tempted to put in a raise on the flop here...the main thing holding me back would be the presence of 2 people behind. The raise would even be for value as AK is often the best hand here and playing from the BB you can rep virtually anything. I don't see CO going with a bet/call line as his range is mostly air here. If he does just call a raise his range is probably pretty weak. Small PP's and overs with the occasional monster (66/A2). It sets you up pretty nicely to fire the 2nd barrel on the turn, especially if a Q+ peels.
Clambake420
Rock Star
Silver Level
Interesting advice. Usually when i raise from the bb everybody that limps calls and im left check/folding or bet/folding, but i don't think ive been raising enough in these spots. I do tend to play pretty passively in the first 3 stages unless im near the button and it folds to me then i open up more. Might be something i need to work on. I probably played it this way to keep the pot small since ive been running really cold lately ( i know i know dont be so results oriented, haha). Ill keep this advice in mind next time i run into a similar situation.
Curious if anybody else has any different thoughts on BB play with multiple limpers...or even SB play.
PoKeRFoRNiA
Legend
Bronze Level
Once again, failed goals still yet to be achieved by me
1. reach iron man bronze
2. drop stakes and play more tables of 80 cent satellites.
3. profit more
4. tilt less and endure longer with each session (i quitted for a week after losing 10 buy-ins)
5. play over 50 sngs per day for 20 days(to reach Iron Man Bronze of course that is)
Goals 1,2,4,5 failed last month. to be accomplished this month.
1. reach iron man bronze
2. drop stakes and play more tables of 80 cent satellites.
3. profit more
4. tilt less and endure longer with each session (i quitted for a week after losing 10 buy-ins)
5. play over 50 sngs per day for 20 days(to reach Iron Man Bronze of course that is)
Goals 1,2,4,5 failed last month. to be accomplished this month.
Bwammo
DragTheBar Coach
Silver Level
I like exactly what you did. Raising it from the BB has some serious issues that, unless we know a lot about our opponents, is going to make it ridiculous to play postflop. If you want to raise it, I'd have less of a problem going all in than just raising, but it's still too early to do something like that.
@lofwyr: I'd rather play AK as a passive drawing hand that costs me nothing than as a bluff 2/3 of the time that I raise. It's also important to consider that players love to put you on AK when you raise so large...so if they have hands like low pocket pairs (the type of hands that are likely to limp and then call a raise), they're unlikely to pay you off anything unless they hit a set or there's no A or K on the board.
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kinghigh41
Rising Star
Silver Level
I think as far as the game you were in it's ok to raise or keep the pot small depending on your feel for the other players, but in a sit and go I would def make a good size raise especially at the mid to late blinds, you have to take advantage of those situations especially at a table with many limpers, I would raise big.
ManicLombax
Rock Star
Silver Level
I agree I'd raise AK here, probably to about 150-180. At least 1-2 of the limpers will probably fold, sometimes all of them. I'd then c-bet almost any flop, about 2/3 pot. If my c-bet gets called I'd slow down. I know it sucks to lose a bunch of chips early on like this if you miss and then get called, but I think you have to play your big hands aggressively and either take down pots or get paid off when you hit. The biggest problem with checking is when you actually hit your hand. You're OOP against 3 people who could have almost anything.
Bwammo
DragTheBar Coach
Silver Level
which is exactly why we play for a small pot and outplay our opponents along the way
BEERM4N
Visionary
Silver Level
Put a fair bit of volume in Dec already this month and paying off: (MTT's on top and SNGs on the bottom)
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ph_il
...
Silver Level
So, I am really enjoying the Full Tilt 6-max Super Turbo Matrix games.
I can see how they can be less profitable per hour, but I think that it's lower variance makes up for it. Especially since I'm playing in such a high variance game. I also like that it allows me to playing games that are above my BR. I am currently playing in the $2 6-max matrix games and have more than enough where as I would be severely under rolled to play the standard $1 6-max games. If I do well, I'll be able to play the $5 6-max matrix games way before I can play a standard $5 super turbo.
I know that $5 ST SNG =/= $5 Matrix SNG. I just like how the game allows players to move up to bigger buy-ins (compared to BR) without really taking many risk. Plus it's good multi-table training as well and the lowered rake for higher buy-ins is nice. $5 + .30 matrix = 5 x $1 + .06 SNGs. So, you're only paying 6% rake compared to the standard 10% in Super turbos for the $1 games.
The players are superbad and a basic understanding of how to play ST's is all you really need to do well as far as I can tell. I've sat on 1.5 x BB (4 handed) in the BB and made it into the money because big stacks behind me decided to have a shove fest with K9o, A6, and 22. I just lol'd into 2nd place when I was almost guaranteed a 4th place finish. Basic strategy and run good = win in these games.
My only problem is that they take some time to fill up; slightly faster during happy hour. So, I'm not sure how many games I'll get in this month. Hopefully I can get in at least 100+.
Opinions on Matrix Super Turbos?
I can see how they can be less profitable per hour, but I think that it's lower variance makes up for it. Especially since I'm playing in such a high variance game. I also like that it allows me to playing games that are above my BR. I am currently playing in the $2 6-max matrix games and have more than enough where as I would be severely under rolled to play the standard $1 6-max games. If I do well, I'll be able to play the $5 6-max matrix games way before I can play a standard $5 super turbo.
I know that $5 ST SNG =/= $5 Matrix SNG. I just like how the game allows players to move up to bigger buy-ins (compared to BR) without really taking many risk. Plus it's good multi-table training as well and the lowered rake for higher buy-ins is nice. $5 + .30 matrix = 5 x $1 + .06 SNGs. So, you're only paying 6% rake compared to the standard 10% in Super turbos for the $1 games.
The players are superbad and a basic understanding of how to play ST's is all you really need to do well as far as I can tell. I've sat on 1.5 x BB (4 handed) in the BB and made it into the money because big stacks behind me decided to have a shove fest with K9o, A6, and 22. I just lol'd into 2nd place when I was almost guaranteed a 4th place finish. Basic strategy and run good = win in these games.
My only problem is that they take some time to fill up; slightly faster during happy hour. So, I'm not sure how many games I'll get in this month. Hopefully I can get in at least 100+.
Opinions on Matrix Super Turbos?
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sharvey1
Enthusiast
Silver Level
Havent beem playing much in the last year, as i dont have a computer...
Pinched one off the inlaws, so i'm gonna start again.
Gonna play $1 single table sng, until i get a decent BR built up.
Show a profit for the month is my only real goal atm.
Pinched one off the inlaws, so i'm gonna start again.
Gonna play $1 single table sng, until i get a decent BR built up.
Show a profit for the month is my only real goal atm.
cjatud2012
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Silver Level
Clam, that's a pretty easy check imo. If the pot were bigger we could shove but I hate just raising and inflating the pot from out of position.
philthy, I've never played many matrix tournies, but I would imagine the strategies are the same as a standard super turbo. It sounds like it's a good deal because of the rake. It seems good to that you play the same opponents on each table, maybe that'd help you get a better read on some of them, since you'd be collecting more hands.
philthy, I've never played many matrix tournies, but I would imagine the strategies are the same as a standard super turbo. It sounds like it's a good deal because of the rake. It seems good to that you play the same opponents on each table, maybe that'd help you get a better read on some of them, since you'd be collecting more hands.
cardplayer52
Cardschat Elite
Silver Level
december goals gonna really try this month last 2 months were a big fail.
1. 1000 sngs
2. practice strick BRM(hope to be back at all $10s)
3. "iron" ironman medal
4. be more active in this forum
5. post at least 5 hands and comment on 10
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1. 1000 sngs
2. practice strick BRM(hope to be back at all $10s)
3. "iron" ironman medal
4. be more active in this forum
5. post at least 5 hands and comment on 10
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