Dealing with rising blinds

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Hey guys. I have a quick question about adjusting to rising blinds I would really like some help on.

I play $1 on Party because that is what I am rolled for right now. The problem I am facing though is that the tournaments are turbo which means blind levels can rise from level 1 to level 4 before an entire circuit is completed. What is even crazier is the rate at which the blinds increase is often geometric.

Level 1 is 20/40, Level 2 is 30/60, level 3 is 50/100, level 4 is 100/200. I can handle these levels since we start out with 2000 chips and even if I run kinda card dead, I still have an M of 8-10 which is not too bad for push/shove.

However, level 5 which occurs in 3 min brings the blinds up to 200/400. Now my stack has an M of 5 and pretty much everyone except for a lucky big stack is hurting. I think level 6 is 300/600 and 7 is 400/800 which by that time is at the bubble or in the money but I find level 5 to be a huge jump. Unfortunately, there are no alternative tourneys at my buy in at Party so I need to learn how to adjust to this jump. Any advice?
 
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Yea, you just gotta shove a lot, which is kinda scary, but its the only way to win.
 
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M = stack/(blinds+antes) you look to have calculated it as M = stack/big blind if I've interpreted what you've wrote correctly.

As for fast level, be willing to flip alot.
 
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yeah, sorry i calculate M as stack/big b and not stack/blinds+antes. I guess my question is twofold. I really start playing push/shove around level 4. Is that too late? Another is the range at which I should start pushing.
 
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to come into the money in that format your good hands have to held. So you have to play them as if you are a small stack (shove all in :rolleyes:or fold)
 
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Also watch table gameplay style. You can let the titans/monkeys battle it out a little while you have dead cards. Once you get in the later orbits you have to look for weak table, HU sitiuatons, in position with top 20% cards. This gives the best odds of stealing blinds, winning hands outright etc. If you get stuck up against a big stack when your short - hope he just calls the BB. If you catch a card on the flop jam him - if not run away fast. Many many times I have been down to $400 won2 hands in a row and completely switched stacks with the pretty big stack (considering blinds antes etc).
 
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Always shove your small blind ( if folded too ) or just raise if VP is around 15 or less. Also steal from the button when folded to you with ATC, unless VP is over 30 then maybe be tighter, you HAVE to steal the blinds a ton. I find its best to do so when folded to you in the SB. BC 80% of the time the BB is folding, so this in the long run will keep you afloat. So when you doo get good hands, and you been pounding the BB he may get fed up and call you light, ( K8 or less) K high calls are actually not uncommon from the BB because it is actually a slightly +EV call since it is a turbo game. But anthing less then this and you are + ev :) good luck!
 
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I guess the fear I have w/ shoving ATC from sb or btn is the probability bb and/or sb calls. I often try to steal when I have A high, K high, broadway, and maybe Q high so I at least have a fighting chance if called. (of course only when folded to me). I use the poker tracker HUD and it resets for different blind levels so I sometimes lose track of the aggression of players throughout the game unless I notice someone is unusually aggressive.
 
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Well a lot of times players are tying to shove Premium hands too Like AJ+
Now if you have A9- and shove you get called easily by any A and a lot of the time your kicker is a problem... so now your looking to hit 3 outs more times than not, or praying for a split.

With the ATC shove method if your shove your SB with J4s and AT calls, sure your behind, but you had to steal.

J4s is 38% to win and AT is 62% to win. Now in all honesty this is not your worst case scenario.

Say you shove A9 and AJ calls

Now you are looking at 28% vs 72% and are behind way more. However even a 28% chance you are winning 1 our of 4 times roughly thus the reason why varience in this game is sooooo high XP

(((all done with poker stove )))
 
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There's almost no one who calls from the BB wide enough to make shoving ATC from the SB unprofitable.
 
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There's almost no one who calls from the BB wide enough to make shoving ATC from the SB unprofitable.

Every once in a while if i see someone shoving too much ill call with a K8s as my lowest calling range.

But thats pushing it. A lot of the times everyone is folding :) Or you get lucky and a donk calls you off with 68s when you shove TJ on them :p
 
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SNGs are different, sometimes you have to fold QQ even if they are shoving 100%.
 
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