brackdog
Rock Star
Silver Level
This is the tournament that you enter using those $1 tournament tickets you won in the Ferguson and DD satellites. Sit tight for the first few levels (or skip them altogether!) and do not play the first hand, even with AA. Top 1100 get paid, so patience pays off. I've gotten into the top 50 a couple of times, but if you're playing as a freeroll, even the min payout is OK.
This game and the wsop Fantasy tourneys in the summer are a great way to build a baby bankroll on Full Tilt.
This game and the wsop Fantasy tourneys in the summer are a great way to build a baby bankroll on Full Tilt.
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mikejm
Rock Star
Silver Level
Folding AA in just about any situation is a horrible idea. the only time it should ever be done is in certain situations in a STT. Why are you afraid of the first hands. If it's because your afraid two or three people are gonna shove ATC you need to change your perspective about this tournament. if three people already shoved and i wake up with AA i would be pumped. sure i can lose my dollar but I'm a solid favorite to quadruple up who cares if its the first hand.
brackdog
Rock Star
Silver Level
You're not a "solid favorite" in any scenario you can imagine. Against three random hands, you might have a 50% chance of winning the hand with AA. Against connected cards and suited cards, the kinds of hands that inexperienced players (many of whom are on freerolls) are likely to push, it's very unlikely you're even money to win. And it's not unheard of for four or five players to push on the first hand in this game.
AdAs (46.6%) 2s2d (13.5%) (JhQh (19.0%) (8c7c) (20.8%)
AdAs (41.5%) 2s2d (13.6%) (JhQh (19.5%) (8c7c) (16.5%) 9d6c (8.8%)
Why would you want to flip on the first hand of any large tournament? A solid player will have a better cash percentage staying away from coin flips early on.
AdAs (46.6%) 2s2d (13.5%) (JhQh (19.0%) (8c7c) (20.8%)
AdAs (41.5%) 2s2d (13.6%) (JhQh (19.5%) (8c7c) (16.5%) 9d6c (8.8%)
Why would you want to flip on the first hand of any large tournament? A solid player will have a better cash percentage staying away from coin flips early on.
loopmeister
Rock Star
Silver Level
You're not coinflipping taking 50% to quadruple up.
It's one thing to give up small edges early, but giving up AA early is always giving up a HUGE edge.
Your $/hr will be better busting out first hand of a $1 tourney taking a very favourable gamble rather than playing 3 hrs to mincash.
It's one thing to give up small edges early, but giving up AA early is always giving up a HUGE edge.
Your $/hr will be better busting out first hand of a $1 tourney taking a very favourable gamble rather than playing 3 hrs to mincash.
Poof
Made in the USA
Silver Level
I have played it quite a few times, my best cash was for 16 bucks. You have to be in the mood, and have patience, which I do not have alot of times.
Oh, and I don't care if it is the 1st or the millionth, I am not folding AA preflop.
It is only a dollar to play
Oh, and I don't care if it is the 1st or the millionth, I am not folding AA preflop.
It is only a dollar to play
TylerN
Kool-Aid & Frozen Pizza
Silver Level
i remember railing that one. It was great
brackdog
Rock Star
Silver Level
OK, bear with me here. This is an important concept for me because I play very tightly, maybe too much so, at the start of these big, low-entry tournaments.
It seems like you're applying ring-game thinking to a tournament scenario. The situation as described IS a coin flip... for your tournament life. There's a 50% chance (or better) that you will not play hand two. What does it matter that you were getting good, or even great, odds to call if there's a 3/5 chance you'll be eliminated and have NO chance to cash? Every pro I've ever seen talk on the subject says to avoid coin flips early in a large tournament; their point is always that you have to stay alive to thrive.
I realize that a dollar isn't significant to many posters, but a lot of us playing in these big donkaments are trying to build a bankroll. I use tournament tickets for entries, hoping to turn them into cash. The $ return/hour isn't an issue here. A cash, even a min cash, is important!
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mikejm
Rock Star
Silver Level
your goal in a tourney should be to win the tourney not to min cash. if your bankroll effects this thinking you probably shouldn't be playing these tournaments in the first place. sure you can get busted 60 percent of the time but 40 percent of the time you start the tournament with 4x as many chips as the guy who folded AA and is just waiting for a min cash. this sets you up to go deeper in a tourney and possibly win it.
loopmeister
Rock Star
Silver Level
No. I'm defining a coin-flip as something that's ~zero EV. This includes 50-50 calls where you stand to lose as much as you win. However, a 50-50 call where you stand to win four times as much as you lose is not a coin-flip imho.
But then let's avoid semantic arguments and simply examine what's important here: expected value. (And I presume you're aware, but I'll say it anyway: In hand one of a MTT, $EV==cEV).
Folding AA here is massively -EV. Fact. Some marginal -EV calls are acceptable within a larger tournament perspective, but big ones are seldom, if ever. I'm not good enough to give up that much equity, but hey, maybe you are. You're also free to fold your rockets to me any time you like.
Goodwooter
Rock Star
Silver Level
i am primarily a cash game player but will use FTP points now and again to play it....i usually grab a six pack of beer and just relax...a change of pace from hours and hours of cash game play each week...and no, i dont play cash games drunk, just the daily dollar...
cheers and gl
wooter
cheers and gl
wooter