Close spot near the money. Call or fold?

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This was a hand I played tonight. We were roughly 5-6 spots from the money. The CO had shoved 3 maybe 4 times within 1.5 orbits. I do not have the card catcher for sportbetting.ag, so I do not have any stats, only on the table for about 3 orbits.

If they were shoving 11bb nash and/or as loose as I suspect, than I think 66 is a sigh call. This mtt has super top heavy payouts.

Icmizer says 99's + and AK with an 8% shoving range from CO. But CO imo is shoving quiet a bit wider than that. Even with 8% range it still seems awfully tight imo, but likely correct considering ICM and all. What do you guys do here? Call or fold?:confused::confused:

I folded fyi.

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I dont hate your fold but with the information, you give, I would have called it off here. I am not using ICMizer, so I dont really know, what is program is doing, but I think, a 8% showing range is way to tight to assign him here.

I have seen push-fold charts suggest something much wider in this spot, and I think, he has any pair, any ace, any decent broadway and perhaps even some suited connectors as well, if he has done this numerous times in the last 2 orbits. This matter, because it mean, he is obviously not playing bubble scared, as some people would do in this spot.

So I think, you are actually doing ok if not great equity wise against his range. And even more importantly you have him covered, so even if you call and lose, you can still fold your way to a small cash. You are not out of the tournament, so their is no huge ICM-pressure on you here.

Finally I think, ICM tend to get a little bit to much attention from many people these days. The model does not take into account the advantages, which there are to play with a big stack and be able to "bully" the other players. And this is important. It played a big role in this years wsop main event for instance.
 
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It is clear that most likely the enemy wants to steal the blinds, but the hand 66 is weak to call. Yes and 99, too, a weak hand for call. I would've been call hand JJ+.
 
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it's over half your stack. you loose, you're crippled. Wait for a better spot. He's probaby shoving with any ace, any king, maybe any queen and possibly 78suited and up.
 
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I would definitely fold. I like to get paid, so I won't get pushed at that point in a trny unless i have a monster. Sometimes I actually wish for junk hands at that point because you just know someone's going to suck out on your KK or AA lol... sigh
Do you find those Apps really helpful? I've tried a couple, and I find them more distracting than anything. I'm not a serious player though..
 
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I do not think that in this case 66, this is a hand that has a large percentage of the winnings. Why play a coinflip if there is a near prize zone and there are short stacks. Definitely I would have thrown off that hand. I often encountered similar situations when I was handed out premium hands, such as QQ-AA, and every time I called someone else's push, my hands lost vs weaker combinations. Therefore, it is better to get into the prizes, and then let luck decide fate.
 
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You did right thing, I would call him with 88+,A10+ in your spot, because he plays like you described, but even if you have AA you can lose, so for me it’s better to get some prises then go broke
 
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I make the tight fold here. If you lose you will have little to no fold equity. You are also calling to either be a slight favorite on a flip or you are dominated. While I do understand and agree with what you are saying I just done think the reward you get if you win this hand is worth the risk.
 
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Definetely fold, you hand is weak to call, if you don't want to lose the bank, but you can risk and teach him a lesson.
 
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Yea I'm never folding this spot, even against a TAG. They are in the CO, so even a TAG has a lot of hands that we are on the better side of a flip on.... and even if we do lose the hand we have a little less then 10BBs behind....

End of the day, I'm pushing my grandma out of the way to get my chips in here....
 
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I think the best decision is to fold if the player was on the button, maybe call.
 
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I would have also fold. It's too many chips to risk with a pair of six considering how many chips you had. I would fold this one even if I am already in the money zone, waiting for better hand.

I would call this hand only if my amount of chips are close to amount of big blind and if I'm a few steps from big blinds position.
 
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i would fold and hope for some hands where i will see the cheap flop.
 
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Blind vs blind I call. Button I might fold, just because it's so much of our stack and we're probably only marginally ahead, meaning we're flipping a coin. The chips you preserve are worth more at this point.

Find a better spot and double up to a healthy stack. Also, it's good to keep your fold equity on the bubble.
 
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Blind vs blind I call. Button I might fold, just because it's so much of our stack and we're probably only marginally ahead, meaning we're flipping a coin. The chips you preserve are worth more at this point.

Find a better spot and double up to a healthy stack. Also, it's good to keep your fold equity on the bubble.
I don't put all Inn as the probability that his hand is heavier than you, 80% and also manual steam.
 
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Depends how close you are to the money if there has to be 2 more eliminated then probably fold.
 
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I would fold close to the money in case you get crushed and land on the bubble.
 
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Really with a pair of sixes close to the bubble it's a big fold and the correct one if he's packing A 7 or higher any suited connectors 7 8 above the coin flip could do you
 
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I would fold in this situation. You should safe your chips for better circumstances.
 
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This was a hand I played tonight. We were roughly 5-6 spots from the money. The CO had shoved 3 maybe 4 times within 1.5 orbits. I do not have the card catcher for sportbetting.ag, so I do not have any stats, only on the table for about 3 orbits.

If they were shoving 11bb nash and/or as loose as I suspect, than I think 66 is a sigh call. This mtt has super top heavy payouts.

Icmizer says 99's + and AK with an 8% shoving range from CO. But CO imo is shoving quiet a bit wider than that. Even with 8% range it still seems awfully tight imo, but likely correct considering ICM and all. What do you guys do here? Call or fold?:confused::confused:

I folded fyi.

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Fold all day long in that position 66s are dodgy a lot of people in this position would even fold jack's too
 
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I am always folding 66 here so close to the money. You're hoping to be a 54% favorite here? Just not worth the risk. Your fold was correct.
 
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It's a fold for me, he probably has 2 over cards so yes we get the money in ahead, but not a coin flip I would want to be taking here, you are risking too much of your stack too close the the payouts. Maybe if I had more information on the guy in question I could find a call, but otherwise I am just folding
 
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I prefer folding this six`s pair before the money.I hate losing without anything.
 
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Hi! Given a stack of about 17 bb and the presence of shorter stacks in front of the prize area, I would fold this hand. Since even against a weaker hand there is a risk that the opponent will be able to put together a stronger combination. It is very unpleasant to fly out of the tournament before the prizes, I would fold this hand.
 
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