Check-raise or check-call it down with a monster draw?

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neilv93

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Blinds 150/300 (25), 10 handed. Folds to BTN, who is a very solid player (and went on to win the tournament), and with he 17,000ish behind he makes it 800. SB folds and I call in the BB with 9h 8h and 13,000 behind.

I flopped pretty huge when 7h 8d Jh came down and villain bet 1,500 into 2,000. So my question is: is this an appropriate spot for a check-raise? I have approximately 17 outs if I am behind, which I probably am, and a monster draw.

Instead I check-called, check-called 3,500 on the 2s turn and lead-shoved the river when Th came and I hit my straight flush.

With such a big draw I don't want to scare away his action as he's always C-betting with a large portion of his range. All the while, I wouldn't want him to fold something like KJ if I raise the flop.

Maybe even a check-jam on the turn is appropriate when he bets; there's 8,500 in the middle and I have 10,200 behind before the call?

Was my line correct to just check-call until the river and lead out? Or should I really be check-raising at some point in this hand given stack sizes?
 
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check raise/all in in flop

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As for me your hand was good for little raise on flop and check call on turn. When Th on river came u had to bet smthing like 1/3 pot to give your opp high value for call. Dont think check/raise would work there because of straight and flush draw on the desk, if only he didnt have 9.
 
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I think a check raise is a good play here on the flop as a majority of the time he can't call. I think if you wait to try it on the turn, there is too much invested for him to fold any sort of hand.
 
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I think you played it fine considering the stage of the tourney, your position and your read on the player. Best case scenario you had 17 outs if he had top pair or an over pair. AA, KK QQ, AJ, KJ, QJ. If you really thought you were behind I think 12-14 outs is the better calculation. A hand like JT, J9, J8, 9T, JJ, TT, 99, 88, 77 and you are still behind. All of those should be in his range. I disagree with you not wanting him to lay down a hand like KJ. Anytime you can get them to lay down the better hand at that moment is a good thing. Draws are not guaranteed. The only thing I strongly disagree with is thinking about check-jamming the turn. If you were going to make that move it is better made on the flop.
I would also consider check raising the flop but it depends on the read. If I think I am behind at the moment, probably not.

One thing I would have done differently is not shoved on the river. He was never going to call if he thought he was behind, and that was what you were broadcasting. Only a flush was going to call. I either check and give him one more chance to bet, then jam. Or just lead out a value bet on the river in the 4-5k range. If he has a real hand, straight, set, worse flush, he will be priced in to call, and it gives him the opportunity to make a mistake.

It was sort of fun breaking that down. I'm not sure if my analysis is right or not, but I've been away from the game for 4 years until about 3 weeks ago, so I'm knocking the rust off. It feels good.
 
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