CBet Blof - Is it still effective?

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Five years ago you could have said that CBet is a profitable move.
When making it the right timing to correct dose - is a very profitable in the long-term.
The point is that today is already aware of all the fish that strategic, and many players already know to use it with a check Raise and Check Raise steal.
What do you think about it?
 
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If your question is is the C-Bet still a profitable move then the sort answer is definitely yes.

You need to be aware not so much of when to use it but more specifically when not to use it. There's a good thread on here about WA/WB (way ahead/way behind) have a read of that.

Also understand why you bet: to quote Harrington he said we bet to:

1)Make better hands fold
2)Make weaker hands call
3)Make draws call at unfavorable odds

A lot of this comes from your read of villian - add fold to c-bet to your HUD (if using one). If villain is a calling station then you should only be betting for value when you think you have him dominated. Equally, if villain is fit or fold and you hit a monster consider checking to induce a bluff on the turn/river.
 
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At the micro stakes, fish will literally call any c bet..regardless of the flop
 
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Unfortunatelly it did come to a point where a c-bet pretty much never works at the lower stakes since the players are willing to call you down with very weak holdings. Still, I think it is useful when you hit a well-textured board and/or if you have a read on the particular opponent. You can also use it to your advantage and bet big while you have a hand.
 
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Seat Open said:
Unfortunatelly it did come to a point where a c-bet pretty much never works at the lower stakes since the players are willing to call you down with very weak holdings. Still, I think it is useful when you hit a well-textured board and/or if you have a read on the particular opponent. You can also use it to your advantage and bet big while you have a hand.
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Any of you guys ever hear of double/triple barreling? You can do it with or without a hand now from what I understand.

If your response is that they NEVER fold, my answer will be to do it when you have a hand (TP+ works).

So never fold = bet, bet, shove TP+.
Never fold to cbet but gives up later = double barrel, a lot.

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pokerman27 said:
If your question is is the C-Bet still a profitable move then the sort answer is definitely yes.

You need to be aware not so much of when to use it but more specifically when not to use it. There's a good thread on here about WA/WB (way ahead/way behind) have a read of that.

Also understand why you bet: to quote Harrington he said we bet to:

1)Make better hands fold
2)Make weaker hands call
3)Make draws call at unfavorable odds

A lot of this comes from your read of villian - add fold to c-bet to your HUD (if using one). If villain is a calling station then you should only be betting for value when you think you have him dominated. Equally, if villain is fit or fold and you hit a monster consider checking to induce a bluff on the turn/river.
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^^^ I like this. DH also mentions what type boards are good for C-Bets because your opponents generally call in position with pairs and high cards. But again, you must have a lil understanding of the villian and his range to make it profitable in the long run.
 
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Sorry, I thought for a minute they were talking about David Hlansky...
 
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Dan Harrington presumably since pokerman27 mentioned him.
 
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poker world is moving from tight aggressive... to loose aggressive... more and more people try to pick off c betters... they will call you preflop with pretty much anytwo cards ...and when the face cards dont hit... they will reraise at you instantly..... c betting is profitable agaisnt tight players... but in a game full of loose aggressive players...c bets should be used less and often....alwasy try to pick a seat with tight players to your left.. you will have a world of an easier time c betting
 
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my cbet for the last 2 month have a 52% success rate. So i would say no they are no longer profitable as a bluff. what ive been doing is cbetting less often. i'll cbet with made hands i want value from and check/raise more often with made hands as well. the villians t the lower stakes i play will never check behind even when it make sense to do so.
 
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xdeuceswild81xx said:
At the micro stakes, fish will literally call any c bet..regardless of the flop
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This is just not true.

They will call down light if your betting 1/3 pot though. Bet sizing is paramount.



Understanding board texture and when to cbet and what turns and rivers to barrel on has made my red line go from a freakin nosedive to making profit.
And I play micro stakes.
 
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For the last 2 months I have cbet 67% overall with a 48% success rate.

In hands where I cbet my winrate is 143BB/100!!! Yeah $1.43 for every hand I cbet the flop with at 50nl.

No money in cbetting everyone's solid!
 
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WVHillbilly said:
For the last 2 months I have cbet 67% overall with a 48% success rate.

In hands where I cbet my winrate is 143BB/100!!! Yeah $1.43 for every hand I cbet the flop with at 50nl.

No money in cbetting everyone's solid!
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what's your winrate when cbetting as a bluff?
 
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cardplayer52 said:
what's your winrate when cbetting as a bluff?
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-15BB/100 when I cbet flop with less than 1 pair.

-17BB/100 when I cbet with less than TP.

Also I realized earlier today that this post is in the tourney section. I don't play tourneys so feel free to ignore everything I say. :)
 
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