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what do people thing is an excellent cashing %...not just avg,or solid....and of course over a sample of say 100 tournaments? Im a results and stats oriented player ,these types of things are important to me.
 
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Depends on what you are playing,SNG,tourney,multi table or single ,table DON....etc.Overall I would say any % that puts you in the profit depending on what stakes you play you need your win rate to at least have you break even or better. You would have to do specific math to then to find out your ROI. It would also depend if you min cash or go deep , as you would need a higher min cash rate to make a profit. GL........scorp
 
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Don't be results orientated just concentrate on making the right decisions. You can't control the result but you can control your decisions. For what its worth i cash about 25% of the time. That's based on mainly MTT's up to about 500 player's and SnG's 45 player's max.
 
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It depends on a number of factors as well as combinations thereof, so there's no simple answer. Also, higher isn't necessarily better. If you play to raise your ITM % by tightening up near the bubble and pay jumps, it's likely that you'll win less money over the long run because you won't go really deep as often, which is where the large payouts are.

A simpler factor is what the payout structures are in the games you play. As a simple example, if you play 6-man SNGs where 2 get paid, the average ITM is 33%, which is unsustainable in tournaments where the pay table is such that only 10 or even 15% make the money.
 
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Don't be results orientated just concentrate on making the right decisions. You can't control the result but you can control your decisions. For what its worth i cash about 25% of the time. That's based on mainly MTT's up to about 500 player's and SnG's 45 player's max.

I agree playing cards is hard enough as it is without thinkin about your bankroll every few minutes or so. Gotta put 100% on the table if your looking to cash i prefer cash games also while i mt other sng or tourny.
 
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Everyone is making valid points on not focusing on the stats.
Although I do think that you need to focus on making the money when your close to the bubble. That becomes more of a strategy play than anything.
I've finished games where I was 2-3 places out of the money and thought back to what I would have done differently if I was paying closer attention to bubble than just playing. Maybe I would have thrown away that AQ suited to a short stack, which had a small pocket pair that held up.
Somtimes its important to play defensive.
Got off subject a little.
Back to Cash %. Any % that turns a profit it good.
I have a higher than 50% ITM ratio since I started playing online again. ( I had a break since US players cant play online) Been about 3 weeks now. I think my % is close to the 65% but I havent totaled it this week. The only thing to consider is that I actually have less money than I bought in for. The reason for this is that I play a variety of MTT tournament (which is the only thing I play now) with my normal range being $10-$30 buy ins. But I have played $50 and $100 games as well. Its these games that cause me not to be in a + in the money. After 3 weeks, I have lost $21. My best finish is 3rd.
So to sum it up, if you play a fixed level, say $10 buy ins, you'll need to place ITM about 55% to stay close to even. ( Thats an estimate based on making the minimum place that pays and taking out for the rake which is usually 10% of the buy in. Usually the last paying place is just under double the buy in.)
The deeper you go, the less the ITM % needs to be.
Hope this helps.
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what do people thing is an excellent cashing %...not just avg,or solid....and of course over a sample of say 100 tournaments? Im a results and stats oriented player ,these types of things are important to me.
For tournaments you're looking at ~15% ITM (in the money). For micro buyin levels probably closer to ~20%

9-man SNG's, winning players are ~40% itm
 
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Cash %

Everyone is making valid points on not focusing on the stats.
Although I do think that you need to focus on making the money when your close to the bubble. That becomes more of a strategy play than anything.
I've finished games where I was 2-3 places out of the money and thought back to what I would have done differently if I was paying closer attention to bubble than just playing. Maybe I would have thrown away that AQ suited to a short stack, which had a small pocket pair that held up.
Somtimes its important to play defensive.
Got off subject a little.
Back to Cash %. Any % that turns a profit it good.
I have a higher than 50% ITM ratio since I started playing online again. ( I had a break since US players cant play online) Been about 3 weeks now. I think my % is close to the 65% but I havent totaled it this week. The only thing to consider is that I actually have less money than I bought in for. The reason for this is that I play a variety of MTT tournament (which is the only thing I play now) with my normal range being $10-$30 buy ins. But I have played $50 and $100 games as well. Its these games that cause me not to be in a + in the money. After 3 weeks, I have lost $21. My best finish is 3rd.
So to sum it up, if you play a fixed level, say $10 buy ins, you'll need to place ITM about 55% to stay close to even. ( Thats an estimate based on making the minimum place that pays and taking out for the rake which is usually 10% of the buy in. Usually the last paying place is just under double the buy in.)
The deeper you go, the less the ITM % needs to be.
Hope this helps.
Shep
 
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To add to what others are saying, 100 tournaments is not an adequate sample size to draw much of a conclusion from. Even a decent player can go for dozens of MTTs at a stretch without a single cash.
 
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"So to sum it up, if you play a fixed level, say $10 buy ins, you'll need to place ITM about 55% to stay close to even."

DoN's yes, MTT's no.
 
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A good cash % for mtts is usually 15-25%.

Being results oriented isn't good and it would be best to play to win instead of minimum cashing.
 
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cashing percentage isn't necessarily all that relevant when it comes to determining weather you're a winning player. Let's ignore the fact that 100 games isn't much of a sample size for tournaments and consider player a and b

Player A is a good player who's finishing ITM a massive 55% of the time (that really is massive for tournament play) because min cashes and around will pay say 1.5-3x the buy in its pretty clear that player A is a winning player who's making solid profit.

Now player B isn't concerned about cashing, he's only interested in chipping up when it comes to the bubble and as far as he's concerned its final table or busto. After 100 games he's won just a single tournament and made one other deep run, let's say 5th. Player Bs ITM percentage is a measly 2% yet I'd hazard a guess that player B is showing a much better profit than player A

Obviously these examples aren't completely accurate, they're just so you get an idea of why ITM percentage isn't such a huge deal
 
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20% is a good number and most likely a winning play. But you have to remember the money is at the final table....
 
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making money is obviously the ultimate goal,but say you've got group of friends who are all making money as well{likeme},i dont feel there is anything wrong with taking it a step further and reading deeper into the%. I really miss the old bodog days where the players were 'nt anonymous and much more information could be generated through.....STATS<<
 
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