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Playing a $50 freeroll on Carbon. Blinds at 30/60 and i'm sitting with 3200 chips. Guy next to me on my screen has about 5200 chips and raises 400 pre flop. Im sitting with Q10 hearts. I call and flop comes out Q5J rainbow. I shove him in hopes that he will either make a bad call or simply fold and let me take all the chips I really wanted. He calls with KK Black one of the only hands that could screw me. Turn is a 10 Spades! I think i have him beat until another miraculous card comes out, a King. Any thoughts on how I should have played this hand better? Was i screwed from the get go?
 
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lol thats just carbon. similar story, i was in a final table earlier today. had TTs on the bb. sb shoves with AT. i was like shorts stack so i shoved. flop goes A T Q. im like **** yeah. no way he hits a two outer. then the turn is A and i nearly threw my drink out the window. they happen man you just gotta learn to live with it. playing on carbon, ive become numb of bad beats.
 
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With 100+BB's I wouldn't have called a 13.3x raise with Q10s so early in the tourney when you haven't gotten a feel for the players.
 
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Right. So how do you suppose i play situations like this early in big freerolls?
 
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Avoid big confrontations with mediocre cards unless your stack size is critical enough to force such risk.
 
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I've become very wary of calling raises from larger stacks with hands like KQ, KJ, QJ, QT or even KA because you may be up against a pocket pair, when this happens your chances to win are a coin flip at best. I would have folded that hand pre-flop, the villain knew he most likely had the best hand with no aces on the board post-flop and was right to call your shove, even more so since he had you covered.

If you run some scenarios on an odds calculator, you will find that having suited hole cards actually adds very little value to them. Miracles only happen when a weaker hand wins on the river, you were outgunned from the beginning and all that happened was that the probabilities held up.

Bad beats happen to both sides, nothing to do with Carbon or any other specific room. I hit a one-outer last night with 73o and 1.5BB left and came back to take 2nd in an STT. Made runner-runner flush and straight almost back to back to win one today, I've taken some crazy beats but have also issued some crazy ones too, you can't just focus on the ones that you're on the losing end of.
 
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lol thats just carbon. similar story, i was in a final table earlier today. had TTs on the bb. sb shoves with AT. i was like shorts stack so i shoved. flop goes A T Q. im like **** yeah. no way he hits a two outer. then the turn is A and i nearly threw my drink out the window. they happen man you just gotta learn to live with it. playing on carbon, ive become numb of bad beats.

Not that similar. Yours is a bad beat the OP was not a bad beat. He overplayed a mediocre hand. He got lucky for a moment on the turn and almost administered a bad beat. There might have been a miracle river card that knocked him out but the money was in on the flop. It is a decision based game and he made the wrong decision. He almost got lucky. If he had gotten lucky and sucked out it was still the wrong decision.
 
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Playing a $50 freeroll on Carbon. Blinds at 30/60 and i'm sitting with 3200 chips. Guy next to me on my screen has about 5200 chips and raises 400 pre flop. Im sitting with Q10 hearts. I call and flop comes out Q5J rainbow. I shove him in hopes that he will either make a bad call or simply fold and let me take all the chips I really wanted. He calls with KK Black one of the only hands that could screw me. Turn is a 10 Spades! I think i have him beat until another miraculous card comes out, a King. Any thoughts on how I should have played this hand better? Was i screwed from the get go?

Shouldn't have played it. You are putting in over 10% of your stack on a hand that is a danger hand. You are easily dominated. If you had to play it I would be playing if for flush, straight or trips value. Top pair is trouble since you are very likely to run into AQ maybe even KQ. With such a weak hand my thought would be pot control and avoiding getting to much money involved. When you truly have a strong hand then work on getting the other persons money into the pot.

Personally if I was going to call that much I would rather be calling with pocket pair, medium suited connector/one gap suited connector. Still not happy getting in that expensive but I could throw it away if it doesn't hit me strong.
 
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ive dealt with worse situations on carbon. you just have to suck it up and play those hands more cautious now what if the person your facing had a AQ or KQ. Hitting top pair with a mediocre kicker can be very dangerous even if you it hit a pair of aces.
 
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Right many things here but il keep this short and sweet its not a 13.3x raise.... he raised 400 at 30/60 so if i am not mistaken that is 6.7x anyway i would never call a raise of that size with QTs. QTs is a hand that you can make an argument to choose any line with however after such a raise just fold it end of!! Don't ever flat call that size raise with those stacks unless you're trapping even then its not ideal unless you have a sufficient read of his range or willingness to stack off light post flop with a marginal holding he may fold to a 3 bet pre flop.
 
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that stuff seems to happen a lot at carbon! but u should not have shoved after the flop thats for sure!! way too many hands that could beat u! a 1/2 the pot bet might have been better then when he reraised u coudl have folded knowing u were beat! he could have hit a set or had AQ, KQ !! shove was a very bad move!! QT is junk hand if u ask me anyways!!
 
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This is why it's called a "trouble" hand.

To put it simply, you called 6 times the Big Blind W Q-10? Thats MORE than 10% of your stack preflop, with Q-10! Even suited...plus, you pulled the trigger, I think, a little soon. Now, don't play scared, but instead play smart.

So, lets say you call...What are you looking for on the flop? Only a straight, a set or a flush, right? Many a straight you get could give someone with KQ, K-10, a bigger one. Any flush could give anyone with A-x or K-x a better flush. Any four card flush could get you killed by a bigger flush as well. Any A or K could give someone a bigger set (as it did). So, even if you call to see a flop, you are still in danger! Just pairing your Q would have lost to those Kings. Again, even 2 pair could lose to KK if a A and a J fall, or a J and a 9.

Also, If you get a dry flop with no aces or faces, what could you reasonably bluff here to a guy with an over-pair? A set? Maybe if you re-raised him preflop you could bluff an ace, but in a merge freebe? Not likely. I've seen them call with QQ (another hand, BTW, that has you dominated) after a re-raise and an ace hits the flop!

What happened to you is classic...you got the "little" full, he got the "big" full.

Trouble hands are just that, unless shorthanded and/or suited. Even then, it's a risk better taken against a preflop limper and you raise from a later position. At least that way, you are in control. Out of position 6x call w Q-10 suited? I'd leave that one at home in any merge free roll.:D
 
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You played it pretty bad. In these types of freerolls when a guy raises 6.6X pre in the first levels of play there's a HUGE chance he's doing it for value because he knows that he's getting called with hands he crushes, like....QT.

Let's say you don't think he has a strong hand and you call that BIG raise. Even with that read you'll miss a lot of flops, so what do you do then? If he shoves the flop then you can't call with Q high so you just basically donated him 1/8 of your stack.

Now, as played, if you hitted top pair and you think you're up, then why would you shove for value? He never calls you with worse, and if he calls he got you crushed. Check and let him lead...then you shove. He won't fold as he is already pot commited.

Of course, in this case the result would have been the same, but you were already doomed when you called with QT a 6.6X raise.
 
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Playing a $50 freeroll on Carbon. Blinds at 30/60 and i'm sitting with 3200 chips. Guy next to me on my screen has about 5200 chips and raises 400 pre flop. Im sitting with Q10 hearts. I call and flop comes out Q5J rainbow. I shove him in hopes that he will either make a bad call or simply fold and let me take all the chips I really wanted. He calls with KK Black one of the only hands that could screw me. Turn is a 10 Spades! I think i have him beat until another miraculous card comes out, a King. Any thoughts on how I should have played this hand better? Was i screwed from the get go?

Wait I'm confused. What was your goal of shoving the flop? In poker, when u take a line in a hand it is important u understand what u r looking to get out of it by taking that specific line. What do u look to accomplish here by shoving the flop. It's a large overbet and u will only get called by hands that have u beat most of the time, so if u were trying to find out where u stand In the hand, just lead out and see how ur opponent responds. I usually bet 2/3 pot with that flop and fold to a re raise. By open shoving the flop u r basically blinding yourself because you have no idea of your opponents holdings or how they will react to your shove. Your only clue to their hand at this point is that they put out a larger than standard preflop bet, that could easily be an overpair to the board like kings. My point is u don't know what your opponent holds at this point. Also this is a very dangerous spot due to your reverse implied odds. Reverse implied odds is the idea that u will lose a big pot to win a small one. Think of it like this. If he folds you win 400 chips. If he calls and you are behind which most of the time you will be when he calls, you get stacked. So basically you will either win a small pot or lose a big one. Also.... Fold pre he's an unknown. As played lead out on the flop and fold to a re raise. Hope this helps
 
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Early in the tournament he had a 400 pre flop raise, which is like 1/8 your stack, you should have folded. Late in the tournament when you have a better feel for the players you might be able to call, depending on the situation.
 
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