Calling range from SB to a constant limper?

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Been thinking a lot about poker lately. Really have to start asking questions if I play to get better. So, here we go.

If you have a guy limping with his entire range (AA - 72o),:

1. What is your calling range to complete the BB?
2. What is your raising range given the BB is an average player? Good player? Fish?
 
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If you're talking that everybody folds to the SB, who limps to you, the BB, I almost raise everything to get an idea of his range. If he calls, or reraises, you get an idea. Remember, you will have position on him the entire hand.
 
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I appreciate your comment about thinking about poker, and asking questions. But I have a couple before I can really give my 2 cents.

Do you mean opening the pot with a limp, or calling 1-3-5 etc limpers?
And for me the blind level and chip stacks (mine and his, as well as other limpers, if in) play an important role here. Also, I dont think a good player will open limp much from SB. If he does, what does that mean? I need to think about this before I act.

As far as calling and raising ranges, it would be situational for me. Like against a good player, (I am assuming a good player is not open limping much) I need a good hand to raise here depending on what I think he thinks of me. Against average to fish, depends on how they have been reacting to aggression, how many other limpers, their play till now, just table reads in general.

I think a few examples of HH of this situation will be more helpful here, as a generic answer is kinda hard to give
 
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It sounds like you mean you are in the SB and what range would you complete or raise with against a weak passive BB if it was folded around to you, blind vs. blind? I'd prob raise from premium hands all the way down to any A or K, any two broadway cards, and suited connectors. Now, if you are saying he calls no matter what, then I probably just tighten up my raising range but limp ATC because we can probably outplay him after the flop. I mean, does he ever give up or is he a calling station? If we hit will he just continue to pay us off or does he ever shut down?
 
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It sounds like you mean you are in the SB and what range would you complete or raise with against a weak passive BB if it was folded around to you, blind vs. blind? I'd prob raise from premium hands all the way down to any A or K, any two broadway cards, and suited connectors. Now, if you are saying he calls no matter what, then I probably just tighten up my raising range but limp ATC because we can probably outplay him after the flop. I mean, does he ever give up or is he a calling station? If we hit will he just continue to pay us off or does he ever shut down?

BE SPECIFIC, POKERSTUDENT! I realize you guys can't help me if I'm not specific. Sorry about that.;)

Fletch, your explanation was essentially the type of answer I was looking for. I don't have a specific example, but have seen it a lot lately.

Miguel, you got it. Folds all the way to the SB. He always calls the 1/2 bet. What do you raise with here? What do you fold? Use average stacks for ease. We do NOT know if he is a good or bad player.

I have another question, but will put it in another post.
 
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We do NOT know if he is a good or bad player.

Yes we do. If he's open-limping every hand, he's very fishy. Still, he does have position on you, so it depends on what type of fish he is. If he's a calling station, raise with any pair, any suited connector, and ace, and king and most of the queens. After the flop it's pretty easy to play against this kind of players, just value bet him do death if you hit, or check it down if you don't. If he's weak, raise ATC and make a continuation bet no matter what comes, he'll be folding most of the times.

So, basically, just see how he plays after the flop and take advantage of him.
 
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BE SPECIFIC, POKERSTUDENT! I realize you guys can't help me if I'm not specific. Sorry about that.;)

Fletch, your explanation was essentially the type of answer I was looking for. I don't have a specific example, but have seen it a lot lately.

Miguel, you got it. Folds all the way to the SB. He always calls the 1/2 bet. What do you raise with here? What do you fold? Use average stacks for ease. We do NOT know if he is a good or bad player.

I have another question, but will put it in another post.

I'm sorry, I'm confused now. Is the villain the SB or are you? If you are, then I stand by my previous answer. If he is, then please elaborate. If you raise is he always calling after he completes?
 
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It sounds like from the last post the OP did, our hero is the BB and the villain is the SB. It also explains the mention on having position on him.

I get what the SB is doing. He's thinking it's a cheap call to the flop. He's already put half the BB into the pot, so why not the other half in and see if he can get lucky. Why do I know this??? Because I used to do this. I don't anymore.

So now knowing that he'll play any range of hands at the SB, it seems to me that you raise with any pair, any A or any K. Basically a lot looser but still a manageable hand. Heck, I might even raise with any suited connectors especially if they're in the higher range. His reaction should give you your answer as to what he's holding. He folds, then he has crap. He calls, he believes that he can still make a hand. But one thing he'll never do is reraise.
 
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Raise, by the time he catches on, your be moved-that is if your talking about tour, if in a sit-go, i play it small in early levels, you image is more important than stealing a couple of blinds at low levels, get a tight image so you can steal it later, when it counts. and if you mean cash game, well im not cash game specialist- your have to ask them, but im sure they will say raise too, cause half the game is aggression.
 
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This sounds really weird guys, but I have only started to post and have already realized how effective it is. Great answers!

I will heed the advice whenever I am in the BB and the SB is a constant limper.

Thanks again!
 
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If your the SB try not to limp into him with ATC too oftenas he has position on you throughout the hand try to raise him to steal the blinds or get some idea of how strong his hand is
If your the BB and he is limping into you with ATC you can push him off with a big raise if he has nothing or just call and see how the hand plays out altho remember he could have anything so you can always fold as it only cost you what you would have payed to play the hand anyways

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