Calling Raises Pre with small pairs

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My favorite hands in hold em are flopped sets. They seem to make the most money for me. Here is the question I have. What % of your stack will you call preflop to hit a set holding 22-77. I know there are many variables, but lets make a situation. Blinds are 50/100...you have 5500 chips. Will you call a raise to 500? Thanks for all input.
 
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5-10% of your stack with a speculative hand like 33

The wiggle room is based on table conditions and player read. I'm more likely to spend 10% if I have position, or I think they won't be able to lay down an overpair.

I'll cap it at 5% if I'm out of position (blinds) or if I think they are a good player.
 
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depends

I don't think i'd call over 10 percent of my stack most of the time. Just not worth it. I think in the long run it would be better to fold them for a 500 raise in that situation.
 
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Moneymaker recommends 6% effective stacks, so it's important to know what villains stack is.
 
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I agree with missjacki that the decision regarding the percentage of your stack that you'll commit needs to be tied to your position at the table.

You are only going to flop a set or better about 12 percent of the time, so you are going to want to have position if you intend to simply call the pre-flop raise. Small pocket pairs are very difficult to play post-flop if you are out of position.

You also need to consider the villain's range when he raises to 5 BBs. If his range is mostly 88+, then your hand is likely a 4:1 dog and you probably don't want to commit much, or any, of your stack.
 
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Not really a percentage of my stack, but as a GENERAL rule is that I call max 3 bb.
 
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Depends on how deep villain is, if antes are in play and if we're in position or not. We don't need to always flop a set to win the pot if in position; if villain shows weakness on wet low/middle connecting boards - it's going to hit our range more than his raising range, plus we likely will have the best hand anyway. The main problem with flopping sets is that, you have the board crushed the majority of the time and will win a small pot or you miss and you have to fold.

I'm not a fan of calling a 5x raise on a 50bb stack, especially if villain is even shorter than us unless villain is really terrible and we're not playing to just flop sets. In general you only get someones stack with sets if they hold like TPTK on dry boards or they have over pairs to the board or a two pair hand. Of course at micros; this isn't always the case and you can get them to stack of with all sorts of rubbish.
 
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I only call with a small pair pre-flop if it´s cheap, and i mean less than 2,5bb. If i am short stack i fold them. The probability of hit the set is too low, but if i have a nice stack i would pay maximum 2,5 BBs. Paying more than that will cost you money in a long term.
 
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I tend to win more pots with a set, unless theres a FD or straight on board. I seem to lose to this quite a lot :D

I would fold small pair if I am OOP but if I am IP it then depends how much I would need to call and it also depends if the re-raiser is a tight player.
 
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I saw somewhere graph(but not remember now)
2,2 - 2% (of stack)
3,3 - 3% and 10,10 - 10%
so if u have 55 u called 275
This is a very safe playing and if you hit a set you should go in this way profitable.

Edit: i know that we hit set 1/8 situation
it is important to win more than eight of our call example 100/200 blind u call 200 u need to win at least 1600 chips when u hit set.
I hope you understand me, my English is poor. I am not in a position to better explain
 
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In this instance,I think you should fold with 22~77.Because it is 10 times BB and cost you 10% of your Br.That's too much.
 
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it all depends on your reads chances are your ahead preflop. im playing more so in position so i can at least call there flop bet hoping to turn a set if i missed or raise if there showing weakness
 
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It's not necessary the opponents stack size and total pot that needs to be over 8.5:1. A common mistake is that one tends to overestimate their implied odds, always assuming that, if you hit your set, you'll always stack the other player. You probably need MUCH more that this amount, depending on the player you are against. If you know the player is an aggro laggard who'd go all in after the flop, 15x your stack is more than sufficient. Against A nit raising with AK, JJ+, and who will go all in after the flop with his overpair you'll probably 20x to account for your losses when you get set over set. Against a rock post flop, you are better of folding or 3 betting your pocket pair,you have no implied odds.

Hope this clears up a lot!
 
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My favorite hand is any pair. But I should rephrase that and say any pair in position. Low pairs are tough to play, but early on in tournaments you should play them trying to hit a set. When the blinds get up there, (and you have 10-15 big blinds left) then you should lean towards either folding your pair or pushing all in.

It really does come down to position and players as well as well as your image. Raise a pair late position, and smooth call preflop in early position. When facing a raise, you want to be in position. Small pairs out of position, will leave you facing danger. Unless you are good at hitting sets. Some people are very good at it. haha, its a skill.

Good luck all, see you around the tables.
 
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I look at their stack and my stack and think can i make 20:1 on my set. Is this optimal?
 
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without a nice size stack, i don't pay more than 4bb for pps or most any hand for that matter.
never understood 10x bets
 
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A range of considerations can come into play, so it's not always a matter of looking at one or two of them. pot odds, implied odds, stack sizes, blind to stack ratio, who is in the pot before you and their respective styles, position in general, who's still to act behind you and their styles... and there are certainly other factors that can be added to this list.
 
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Calling raises pre with small pocket pairs is more of a cash game play than a tournament or sit and go play. The effective stack sizes aren't usually deep enough to justify it. If multiple opponents have already called it makes more sense to call then but most of the time these hands need to be folded.
 
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I love just calling with small pairs pre, no matter what the raise if its early and if its late depends on the player who ships it...
 
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