calling 3bet ranges?

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I apologize for not having hand history, but the other day I was midway through a tournament when someone made the mistake of pointing out a potential flaw in my play. I rose mid position with QQ with about 16BBs. The guy from BB rerose me to about 8BBs. When I rerose for the rest of my stack he called with 108o and said "well it was worth a shot you folded to 3bet 6/6 so far."

What range should I be called 3bet with? In a tournament constantly getting moved around tables you often only have 30-60 hands on a player before you're moved making it difficult to get a great read. The guy who told me was 18/8. Over a few tens of hands, not enough to put him on such a move.

I won't play against most people enough to get a good feel for what their real 3bet % is. When I'm mid position and raise with AQ and some villian who hasn't shown down any garbage and only seems to be playing decent hands 3bets me does it make sense to call? I'm out of position and will only hit the flop about 40% of the time. If I don't hit and he cbets without a lot of hands on the guy all I can really do is fold? This is why I generally choose to fold preflop in light of a 3bet. At the moment my 3bet calling ranges from AK or JJ+ depending on the situation of course it may be lighter. How should I be playing those hands like AJ or AQ? I think I might be playing tight-weak and losing money because of it.
 
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As an addendum I frequently look at a person's fold to 3bet to steal from them, I'm just not sure how to defend against it.
 
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Im trying to figure out how to filter 'called 3 bet' in PT3?
 
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By filter do you mean put it on the HUD? Otherwise you can click and its under Preflop Statistics
 
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which one under preflop stats is it?

i can see;

3bet
3bet OPP
3bet OPP called
3bet OPP folded
 
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? Under preflop stats I get:
VP$IP
Call PFR
Call 3 Bet
Fold to 3 Bet
Limp w/Prev Callers
Cold Call
Fold BB to steal
Fold SB to steal
Fold steal to reraise
PFR
3bet
4+ Bet
Raise first in
raise w/Prev callers
Aggr Freqency
Aggr Factor
Attempt to steal
 
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got it thanks.

Its pretty situational dependent obviously.

But after looking in PT3 i see that my most common call 3 bet range is AQs+/99+/AKo+

quite often i will call 3 bets if we are deep in the mid/late stages with a pretty polarized range, including sc's and some small PP just because when we do hit with those hands in 3 bet pots we win a huge pot and chips are so valuable at the later stages that i am willing to risk 5-8% of my stack with marginal hands to get a huge stack.
 
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Easiest way to stop folding to 3-bets is to stop raising junk you'd fold to a 3-bet.
 
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Keep in mind the stat he used to make his "read" on your is a flawed stat. Pretty sure the stat is just folded to any 3-bet, not necessarily one you made. So if BTN raises and SB 3bets and you fold your BB, it would notch +1/+1 to your "fold to 3-bet".

The best method for playing against a 3bet is to play tight. Fold most of your hands and 4bet most of the others. Knowing the opponent is crucial as well. Some people will do 3bet with T8o, some won't do it without QQ+.

@MrEpic: are you making these calls OOP for the most part as well? You have to have pretty deep stacks to make calling a 3bet only 5-8% of your stack. How often are you calling AQs/AK and such vs. 4betting?
 
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its all really situational dependent which makes it quite hard for me to generalize.

I am more inclined to call a 3 bet in position and 4 bet it OOP.

The more aggro my opponent is post flop the more likely I am to call the 3 bet rather than 4 bet. And the more polarized my calling range is.

Against passive opponents i am more inclined to call a 3 bet OOP and IP rather than 4 bet as I will be able to get to showdown easier/play cheaply postflop.

I think my estimation of 5-8% may have been a bit low thinking about it now, but up to about 12% is probably the percentage of my stack i am happy calling a 3 bet with when I have the bottom end of my polarized range.

In my experience at small/micro tournaments (almost exclusively $4/180's) it can be extremely profitable to 3 bet light, 4 bet very tightly, and fold to 3bets a lot unless you have really decent implied odds.
 
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