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what if the bubble in a large tourney was not as big.

lets say in $5 tourney, instead of bubble being $5-10, the bubble payouts would be .50 1.00 1.50 2.00 3.00 4.00 5.00

main event instead of bubble being 20k, it was 1k 3k 5k 10k 15k 20k (it would be devastating to know if you lasted one more person you would've won 20k)

this would help bubble get over and not go on for hours

i know you dont want to make the money and win less than buy in, but this could come before normal payouts, so you would have lost all your money anyway.

what do you think? good or bad idea
 
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in my opinion this is a bad idea, however it would be great especially on live tournaments when the bubble is about to burst, all the players make a deal in which those who doesnt make ITM recovers their initial buy in. for example on a 1000 dollard tourney, those who loses near the bubble get their initial buy in, in this case 1000 dollars.
 
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Terrible idea. And with all those 'smaller cashouts' it'd be taking alot of money away from the typical top10% payouts.
 
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Terrible idea. And with all those 'smaller cashouts' it'd be taking alot of money away from the typical top10% payouts.

with a thousand or more people, one or two buy ins is not alot of money away from top 10%
 
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with a thousand or more people, one or two buy ins is not alot of money away from top 10%


That's where the problem is, it wouldn't be an extra 1/2 spots added, it would be another 50+spots added..Thus as PO had stated it would take money away from the top 3 spots
 
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That's where the problem is, it wouldn't be an extra 1/2 spots added, it would be another 50+spots added..Thus as PO had stated it would take money away from the top 3 spots

how did you come up with 50 spots? more like 5
 
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Somehow, the idea of cashing for less than the entry amount just doesn't feel right. Maybe because it's less of an accomplishment to cash when a higher proportion of the field gets paid, and also the thought of cashing and still not making a profit doesn't seem appealing. Plus it means less for finishing high, which is more of a goal for me than just cashing.
 
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That's where the problem is, it wouldn't be an extra 1/2 spots added, it would be another 50+spots added..Thus as PO had stated it would take money away from the top 3 spots

im talking about just 5 spots so the bubble is not such a big deal, and no one is slow playing and folding every hand
 
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Somehow, the idea of cashing for less than the entry amount just doesn't feel right. Maybe because it's less of an accomplishment to cash when a higher proportion of the field gets paid, and also the thought of cashing and still not making a profit doesn't seem appealing. Plus it means less for finishing high, which is more of a goal for me than just cashing.

so you would rather lose it all? its only a couple of spots to ease into the money.
 
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rewards worse players and punishes the best not really viable
 
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how did you come up with 50 spots? more like 5


Ok, maybe I misunderstood your O.P, or maybe I just really took it another way.

If you're saying only add another 5 spots to the bubble. So in a game with 1k field that pays 10%, than instead of paying top 100 your idea would pay top 105 instead correct?

What I was thinking was more down the lines of % rather than spots..

So again how I Took it was that you meant to increase the payout % to like 13-15%, so instead of top 100 getting ITM now 130-150 would get into the money
 
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so you would rather lose it all? its only a couple of spots to ease into the money.
Except for pretty unusual circumstances, I don't play to ease into the money, so making it easier to do by paying more places has very little appeal for me. Neither is the prospect of occasionally getting back part of the entry appealing given that it would come at the cost of somewhat reducing my long-term win rate.
 
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Depend what are you talking about. If it is a satelite for something it´s a bad ideia, if its for regular tourment its beter to gain something that nathing in my opinion
 
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If you're saying only add another 5 spots to the bubble. So in a game with 1k field that pays 10%, than instead of paying top 100 your idea would pay top 105 instead correct?

correct, i think everyone misunderstood me, i agree paying 50 or more people is a bad idea
 
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The thing is that any decent tourney player knows that money isn't made by min cashing, min cashes only add a pretty much insignificant amount to your win rate and are more or less there to lower your loss rate.

making it so that you occasionally get refunded a part of your buy in might appeal to some recreational players but any player who grinds tournaments for a living or even just seriously would consider this to be a bad idea.
 
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Well, I think we'd all like to cash more but if you don't at least make a tiny profit by cashing, then it's not really cashing...

speaking of cash...why wouldn't a player just choose to play cash games if they want to avoid bubble situations?

To me, a palpable bubble is an exciting hallmark of tournament play...one of the moments in life where I feel alive and alert and optimistic and at risk and excited all at once....I love bubble play!
 
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