BRM for 1 table SnGs - 2% or 5%?

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I know we have discussed BRM in other threads but I wanted to hear from everyone on this very targeted question. Do you think there is more success following a tigher 2% of BR for the buyin or do you think 5% is conservative enough?

This is for 9 man SnG NLHE and PLO/8

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i hear 2% is the nuts

I have been following 2% for a while now. Unless someone can convince me that 5% is the better way to go than I am most likely sticking to this (grinding) plan.
 
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I have been following 2% for a while now. Unless someone can convince me that 5% is the better way to go than I am most likely sticking to this (grinding) plan.

50 buy in downswings are not very uncommon btw.
 
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I have been playing way under to be honest. Mostly because i want to enter the next level with the knowledge as well as the BR. I have been playing $1 SnGs and DoNs at PS and .20 and .50 SnGs at UB. Slowly but surely.
 
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I too would suggest the 2% for single table sit n goes. A lot of those tables are full of bad players so it shouldn't be too hard to build something playing them. But may I suggest the 45 man sit n goes on stars they are great and pretty much how I built my BR. Which isn't anything super crazy but in the middle of december I deposited 15 dollars and now have built it up to over 800 dollars. This was playing mostly 45 man sit n goes.
 
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2% vs 5%. Am I understanding this right? If my BR is $29 (it is) I cant enter $1 SnG and be exorcising good BRM? I was at $75, lost a lot of it in cash games, and had a few people suggest I go SnG till my game get stronger. Fixed limit and all. But I only have 29 left? I didnt think my site - PKR - has SnGs under a dollar, maybe they do, I will look. by 2% you mean of my total BR as my max buy in? So 50$ b4 I play a $1 SnG?

Oh yea, I am on temporary hiatus till I get my ordered copy of Colin Moshmanns Sit and Go Strategy, probaly Monday, and read it, I read quick, so Ill be trying my luck again in a week or so. The info Ive gotten in the internet is obviously not enough. Ill be posting as soon as I am back on the tables. On the other hand, can I take it away that long????? maybe 1-2 a day??? Man I just love the game......
 
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Most BRM rules allow you to play in the lowest buy-in regardless of what your current BR is. If you only have 29 bucks and you are playing SnGs then you would have to play the $1 on PS and FTP. Of course there is always the 90 man SnGs at PS for 25 cents and the 360/.10 cent games as well.
 
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Thanks I will have to look into those 45 man games. Seems you do best with MTT though no?

I too would suggest the 2% for single table sit n goes. A lot of those tables are full of bad players so it shouldn't be too hard to build something playing them. But may I suggest the 45 man sit n goes on stars they are great and pretty much how I built my BR. Which isn't anything super crazy but in the middle of december I deposited 15 dollars and now have built it up to over 800 dollars. This was playing mostly 45 man sit n goes.
 
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2% vs 5%. Am I understanding this right? If my BR is $29 (it is) I cant enter $1 SnG and be exorcising good BRM? I was at $75, lost a lot of it in cash games, and had a few people suggest I go SnG till my game get stronger. Fixed limit and all. But I only have 29 left? I didnt think my site - PKR - has SnGs under a dollar, maybe they do, I will look. by 2% you mean of my total BR as my max buy in? So 50$ b4 I play a $1 SnG?
Oh yea, I am on temporary hiatus till I get my ordered copy of Colin Moshmanns Sit and Go Strategy, probaly Monday, and read it, I read quick, so Ill be trying my luck again in a week or so. The info Ive gotten in the internet is obviously not enough. Ill be posting as soon as I am back on the tables. On the other hand, can I take it away that long????? maybe 1-2 a day??? Man I just love the game......
few comments to this ^
Moshmann's books is good for sure... BUT if you search around on the internet there's no way you could say that what is out there isn't enough (there is a VAST amount of info. out there, enough to fill a 1,000 books).
With the 'book'... you read fast... great. To absorb it & put it into play, to have it become part of the intuitive process,... << this takes time. You might be better off to read the book slowly?? (or fast then again more slowly... who knows??).
I think you may have misunderstood something that others related to you in regards to why it'd be a good idea to start out by playing 1-table SNG's & then consider cash game later on. I don't believe they were suggesting this "until your game gets stronger". Sure both are NLHE, 'but' they're both played quite a bit differently (a common mistake you'll see by SNG rookies is that they play the game as if they were sitting on cash tables (& vice versa btw). There are distinct levels in a SNG that are dictated by the ever-increasing blinds & the table becoming short-handed as as the play progresses. There are many plays/tactics/strategy that directly relates to SNG's in their various stages so to relate this to 'needing to get my game stronger prior to playing the cash tables' is like saying, "I shouldn't eat apples until I get better at peeling oranges. Once I'm pretty competent at peeling oranges then I will get onto eating apples" (< get what I'm saying?).
As far as a $29 bankroll not being large enough for $1 sng's. Well.. actually it isn't... but at the same time 'it is'. Something one should 'strongly' consider when playing micro buyin SNG's is the size of the tourney fee in relation to the buyin,... if it is 20%+ the game will not likely be profitable to play in the longrun (10% is standard at higher buyins, & on some sites in the micros as well). Playing above a $1 buyin SNG would be too much with a $29 roll for sure (with $76 or whatever, it would've been good.. BUT if the tourney fee was/is smaller on the $2 sng's, then I'd recommmend playing them instead).
As far as OP's question goes... 2% or 5%. "It depends". Is it easy for you to re-deposit? Do you want to try to build an online poker bankroll by only depositing once? (or winnning a freeroll or however you came about initiation your roll). IF so, then stick to the 50buyin rule (incidentally, for MTT's it's recommended that you have a min. of 100buyins).
Something to think about >>>> you could play 100 sng's and be running with ROI ~15%+ (a decent winning player) and easily have a 15-20 streak of games with ZERO cashes (might sound extreme if you don't have many games under your belt at this point in time.... but this is actually quite common. You'll be playing 'A' game, (could even be running HH's thru SNG Wiz & see you got your chips in good 100% of the time, with only deviations being player read based as SNG Wiz is not 'always' completely right), then getting it in as HUGE favourite during bubble play (80/20's,.. where you're re-shipping with a big pr. over a raise, getting called down by smaller pair and losing (ie. KK < 44, AA < JJ, QQ < 99, etc.), and have this happen to you many times in-a-row. It is because of this stuff (variance) that you MUST follow decent bankroll management (quote, "Even the very best poker player would not be a winning player if they didn't follow bankroll management" << I don't recall who said that, but that is quoted word-for-word... besides, I'm sure most pros will/would say this).
Something to consider though when playing the lowest micro buyin SNG's, you'll often be better off playing the $2 buyins on sites where the $2's have only a 10% tourney fee, compared to a 20%+ tourney fee for the $1 sngs.
.... okay I think that's it for now
 
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2% vs 5%. Am I understanding this right? If my BR is $29 (it is) I cant enter $1 SnG and be exorcising good BRM? I was at $75, lost a lot of it in cash games, and had a few people suggest I go SnG till my game get stronger. ....

Lots of guys start out by grinding away at 2NL instead of the micro SNG's. It's partially a matter of preference. I think the reason that many suggest to start with STT SNG (STT = Single Table Tournament, sit'ngo) is that it doesn't take very long to learn the game (< to learn a way in which to play them profitably... an 'optimal' way in which to play them).. and another big thing that helps is that SOooooo many new players play SNG's terribly, therefore making it that much easier to exploit their mistakes. (A big part of learning to play STT SNG is to get a good push/fold game in later levels. This doesn't take too long to learn how to shove profitably (+EV shoves) and to learn what spots you would call a shove, etc., etc. Alot of the late stage SNG game is math-based).

GL on the journey!
 
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Me personally I do better at the MTT but I have done well at STT as well. I prefer the the MTT because of bigger prize pools. Also the idea of other people getting knocked out at other tables and you not even having to play against them is a nice feeling. But either way I play 2% or even 1% rule. Once in a while I will reward my self for following BRM and play a tournament that costs between 5 and 10 percent.
 
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Me personally I do better at the MTT but I have done well at STT as well. I prefer the the MTT because of bigger prize pools. Also the idea of other people getting knocked out at other tables and you not even having to play against them is a nice feeling. But either way I play 2% or even 1% rule. Once in a while I will reward my self for following BRM and play a tournament that costs between 5 and 10 percent.
 
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first of all, TY to all, this is a big thanx to Poker Orifice here who, as in a number of my posts, has taken his time to give what I consider to be good advice.
Let me follow up on a few points:

"Moshmann's books is good for sure... BUT if you search around on the internet there's no way you could say that what is out there isn't enough (there is a VAST amount of info. out there, enough to fill a 1,000 books)."
Yes very true. I think what I meant ( lets be honest..dont u just hate people who start their statements with crap like "I think what I meant") was the information I got in the internet was simply to vast and not knowing really where to start, I have not figured out a way to utilize it in such a way that my playing actually improves from the information given. OK, reading what I just wrote, it may sound sarcastic but I am not trying to be at all, merely trying to be humorous, I meant this very sincerely. I am serious about wanting to improve my game.

"With the 'book'... you read fast... great. To absorb it & put it into play, to have it become part of the intuitive process,... << this takes time. You might be better off to read the book slowly?? (or fast then again more slowly... who knows??)."
Point taken!! I have read (and saved on my HD) all my internet info I have found a number of times, and (incidentally I am a musician/guitar player who is quite good, so have a lot of respect for the concept "this is how you do it, so after you live with this for a LONG TIME you may begin to see it improving your daily routine") re-read it a lot. I may have sounded like hey I am a fast reader I will get it right away, but I make no illusions that any book, especially read quickly and once, will make me another player than I am now. I just am frustrated with my playing and thought I will read Moshmans book b4 playing - and humbly learning - for now. Maybe a .001% improvement can be won, and I would be OK with that. I realize I must learn by mistakes as well as victories, perhaps even more, maybe that is my big frustration lol

"I think you may have misunderstood something that others related to you in regards to why it'd be a good idea to start out by playing 1-table SNG's & then consider cash game later on. I don't believe they were suggesting this "until your game gets stronger". Sure both are NLHE, 'but' they're both played quite a bit differently (a common mistake you'll see by SNG rookies is that they play the game as if they were sitting on cash tables (& vice versa btw). There are distinct levels in a SNG that are dictated by the ever-increasing blinds & the table becoming short-handed as as the play progresses. There are many plays/tactics/strategy that directly relates to SNG's in their various stages so to relate this to 'needing to get my game stronger prior to playing the cash tables' is like saying, "I shouldn't eat apples until I get better at peeling oranges. Once I'm pretty competent at peeling oranges then I will get onto eating apples" (< get what I'm saying?)."
YES I do (I think so anyway.....)!!!!!!!! Point well made!!

Thanx again. I feel honored to be given the time it takes, from all of you at CC, to help silly old me win a dollar SNG. When I first started posting here I was expecting to be either ignored or told "come back when ur ready to play real poker, not your donkadollar kidsplay" but I have experienced so much GREAT support, and I feel in ashort time I have gone from -125% ROI to -101%ROI, lol no really. I am thankful 4 the day I stumbled on this site. TY again poker orifice 4 your time and input, Stu, Wizz and a number of others as well. OK I will go dry my tears and get ready to post my next hand, to help me learn, and improve the moods of those who thought they played bad...................
 
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i'd go for the 5% if u feel u can beat these STT SNG's. It's good to stick to the 2% rule which I do, but if u feel ur playin ur A game and feelin confident then y not go for the shot of the 5%?

Jus make sure u know when to drop bk down to the 2% if the 5% games arnt working 4 ya.
 
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I've been following the 40 buyins rule which makes the max % I'd be buying in for 2.5%. Most of the time my % buyin is going to be less than 2.5%.
 
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