Bovada 100k????

Acesinthebig

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So I'm playing the Bovada Sunday 100k, and I build myself up to a respectable stack of 62k, which was a little above chip average with 65 people left out of 735 runners. Blinds are 1500/3k and I'm in the BB with AhKh. UTG+1 calls and SB calls, and I make it 15,500. UTG+1 shoves and has me covered and SB folds. I think and reluctantly make the call, and I go on to lose the hand and go busto. Now before I reveal what he had someone tell me what he had and what I should have done differently????????
 
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i would of only raised to 7k. with around 18bb after my raise i'm still able to fold if i think he has a monster, but i probably call anyway. i just recommend raising around 2.5x from bb
 
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with ak i like the 2.5x raise, maybe with a pocket pair i would raise more
 
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He has AA,KK, or QQ. I put my money on AA though but in that position I would fold, hes raising you 4x your initial 5 bb raise, thats a hand you can fold and take the hit. Especially when someone is risking that much of their stack. If it came down to it, they have position on you anyway so if they flat called you could have an idea that they have a drawing hand or QQ, JJ etc. However when they raise you that much even when they have position on you preflop, you are most likely dominated by an already made hand.
 
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i say fold that deep. But who am I? I think it could have easily gone your way but is it worth the chance? I hate blind all in and wont do it when im that close.
 
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on what the other guy had, not having watched the table or knowing anything about their play, I would guess they had PP 99 -QQ and u didnt hit, or they had AK also and won because of 4 card table flush. On how to play it, again not knowing anything else, I would of played it the same. I have been in your similar position with nice stack so many times in a tourny and got knocked out because I wouldnt let go AK (usually becuz inferior prehand beats me tho), but I just wont change the way I play it because I see also too many times people who would try to push me around with less, and I just cant play AK in a tourny like I would in a cash game. one exception being that one player who is esp tight/ strong hand only who, if they are after my pos, i would raise less and be willing to fold. I am guessing you would mention if that was the case.
 
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The answer is....

He had 1010 and needless to say I didn't hit. My thinking is that if I make a smaller bet it is easier to get away from if I put him on KK or AA but not likely since I have one each of those cards. If he has anything else besides AA or KK then calling allin there is a good play I think, but it comes down to do I want to gamble at that stage of the tournament. I keep asking myself that, and I guess the answer is yes, although I'd rather do it against smaller stacks just in case I lose, but I guess that's why they call it gambling. If I win that hand I'm 2nd in chips and have a great chance to FT. A lot of good input though, thanks peoples!
 
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You're faced with calling 46.5k into a pot holding 71k, so about 1.5:1. It seems like the key question is whether you can reasonably assign him a range that's wide enough to call after factoring in whatever value you put on your tournament life at this stage.

This is player-dependent, but with no info on the opponent, I'm inclined to fold. The fact I have AK does reduce the likelihood he has AA or KK, but otoh, how often am I ahead? Seldom? Never? If I decide it's either of those, then I'm putting him on pocket pairs plus an oddly played AK. But can I assume his range includes enough pairs to make calling mathematically correct given the pot odds?

Even if it is, it seems close enough that factoring in some value for my tournament life and the fact I'd still have a playable stack nudges me toward folding. Plus I'd probably have raised somewhat less, which would mean the pot odds to call if he still shoved would be a bit worse.
 
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21bb's in BB, two limpers.. (pot = ~15%+ of our stack)
I probably just ship it pre tbh.
 
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I have to say I agree with poker orifice. With 21 bb's if you double that deep you will be in good shape and by shipping you get to see all five cards with AK. But it also depends on UTG+1 stack size when he limped pre. If he has a healthy stack of say 35bb+ you can put a larger number of pocket pairs in his range as well as some other speculative type hands and even AJ,AT. So a shove in this spot is clearly the correct play if you are trying to win as AK is way ahead of that type of range. But if he made this limp with say 20-30bbs instead you have to consider a trap with hands like QQ-AA in which case you would prolly want to just make small raise pre and see flop and connect (hopefully an Ace) before you get all of your chips in and fold if reraised.

Though there are players who will make that play like UTG+1 did with suited connectors as bluffs to try and look like they have AA or KK, they most likely would not do it that deep with you making a seemingly pot commiting raise with roughly 20bb's. Hope that helps! Good Luck
 
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