Blind vs Blind

I had a hand recently on Bovada that I played bad for the most part during a 5k tourney. I did, however, want to get opinions on how I should have handled the flop. The villain had played moderately loosely for awhile and got lucky in several spots. I only saw a couple showdowns though, people started folding to his raises after the beats he dropped.

Here's the breakdown:

Blinds 250/500/50
[Me] BB with 29k
[Villain] SB with 59k

It's folded to the SB
I'm dealt Kc Js
Villian raises to 1500
I call [POT 3450]
Flop Jh 8s 2c
Villian raises to 1900
I reraise to 4250
Villian Reraises 8640
I call
POT [20730]
Turn Ac
Villian Raises 9480
I shove
Villain calls and turns over QQ
River is 6d


Now, I *fully* realize I played the turn horribly. I was thinking at the time he might fold to the A if he wasn't on it, especially heads up but after looking closer I can't expect him to fold with that much out there.

Anyway, I want opinions on the turn there. Would you call the 3 bet and see another card or just drop your top pair/k kicker there and move on?

Keep in mind this is a tournament against a moderately loose player. However I would still have 40bb behind if I had just folded.

Thoughts?

I was perplexed on the flop you said he raised to 1900 because that would have meant you donk bet out on the flop. Once I saw you said he raises to 9480 on turn I realize you meant he bet 9480. I personally believe the very 1st mistake you made was check raising the flop. Let's say he was just trying to steal your blind plus the antes & was ONLY firing a c-bet on flop. If he calls then most likely you are behind & if he had nothing then you just made him fold when you were holding top flopped pair with a great kicker. I would have ONLY called flop to see if a scare card for you comes on turn. A scare card for you comes on turn, but then U try and turn it into a bluff when I feel he was already pot committed on the turn.

Yeah, I agree with that. I doubt he would have folded the QQ anyway, but calling there instead of re raising would have been better in most cases. In that specific situation I could have folded easier on the turn too I think.

My original thought process was that he *would* call my re raise just to try and float. I thought I was ahead too and wasn't expecting QQ from him in that spot which was my other mistake. I also fully expected him to bet a scare card too because of it. Bad read or too hopeful I guess.

Oh and, yes, sorry I was typing this breakdown out based on my hand history in Bovada and made a couple mistakes.

lagtards catch a hand just as often as you do

don't raise flop - if he's aggro don't take the initiative away from him, call and let him keep throwing chips at you

When he leads turn after that flop action you're spewing chips to do anything but fold

Cool, thanks for the input guys!

I also realized just now that I made a mistake on the OP. I was wanting feedback on the *flop* not the turn (which I knew I screwed up already).

IF you wanted to get info on the strength of his starting hand, re raise preflop. At some point you have to get info on his hand, besides how strong raising from the SB is... you have no idea if you hit your jack you're good, you don't even know if you flopped your king if you would be good... at some point you have to get information, and then you should use it... or ignore it... whatevs

Yeah I agree with you too, for the most part.

I guess my concern in raising preflop there is that he still may just flat me anyway. Sure, I can weed out most rags, but since the button raise is already considered weak by a lot of people, he could be calling with a wide range still. He was also observed as loose. To your point though, I would have more information for cheaper.

Obviously if he 3 bets me there I've got what i'm looking for most likely and can proceed better, likely folding.

Apparently I also need to be better at comprehending the information I have since I clearly failed to do so on that hand already.

He isn't button raising, hes raising from the SB right? And having position on him is something you need to put to work, because if you aree going to continue in position with the worst hand, you MUST know that, so you can know if you've caught up or are still behind. Poker is a game of incomplete information, and in current day is really about understand hand ranges and how your hand plays against your opponents range of hands. site like pokerstove are great for these simulations.

Even when you shove on the turn, he has the pot odds to call.

The crucial play would really be on the flop.

Even though hes so loose, the reraise for me is so strong.

I dnt reraise with just 1 pair and the turn card is a FOLD!

WaxDabMan said:

He isn't button raising, hes raising from the SB right? And having position on him is something you need to put to work, because if you aree going to continue in position with the worst hand, you MUST know that, so you can know if you've caught up or are still behind. Poker is a game of incomplete information, and in current day is really about understand hand ranges and how your hand plays against your opponents range of hands. site like pokerstove are great for these simulations.

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Yes, right. Another typo - I guess i'm half asleep today. I meant Big Blind raise.

But yeah, agreed.

hffjd2000 said:

Even when you shove on the turn, he has the pot odds to call.

The crucial play would really be on the flop.

Even though hes so loose, the reraise for me is so strong.

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Yep, I realized that afterwards. Bad plays all around... bummer. I should have just folded the turn since I wasn't completely sure he wasn't on an over pair or a high ace either. I guess i'm not sure why I got so invested in this hand like this - I usually wouldn't with one pair like that.

ribaric said:

I dnt reraise with just 1 pair and the turn card is a FOLD!

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I can't say I usually do either but I did here obviously. I still have plenty of holes in my play to work on - that's for sure!

See, this is why I get action when I play really loose-aggressive

Y'all always think I'm bluffin