Big blind calling ranges at Micro multi table SnG Turbo

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HI all,

I find it difficult to assign preflop ranges for players at micro $1 -$2.50 90 or 180 sit n go turbo tournaments sitting on the BIG BLIND and facing only one 2,5 -3BB open from middle position.

Of course it depends on opponent but can I say that Loose aggressive players will call 2,5 -3 BB open with (see picture 1) and TAG's will call with (see picture 2).
With rest of better hands not highlighted they normally 3-bet.

This applies to middle stage of the tournament when players have 20-30 BB left, facing only one opponent.

Is my assumption right? Remember this only apply to players that you can find at this micro 45, 90, 180 TURBO sit n goes.

And the later the stage and the more opponents call initial 2,5-3 BB open the wider their range ?

What do you think ?
 

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you can't rule out some of those hands, with programs like flopzilla you can assign values to the AA KK QQ etc. pretty sure you can do it with pokerstove too..

overall mate, it's very hard to range fish yes. but they like to play thigns which look good to them and they play very linear ranges in general no matter how many BB's they have...

nits like to play high cards only, so take out the suited connectors they just won't show up often enough to worry about it

the looser range take out the lower suited connectors and add more high card hands like J7s instead as they play very linear.
 
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It really is opponent dependant but I think those ranges you have assigned are well off. You'd have a better chance of working out the ranges by eliminating the hands you know they definitely won't play like the utter garbage hands 72, 83, 82 etc etc
 
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It really is opponent dependant but I think those ranges you have assigned are well off. You'd have a better chance of working out the ranges by eliminating the hands you know they definitely won't play like the utter garbage hands 72, 83, 82 etc etc

he did eliminate them, there are hands that are highlighted and hands that are not. it's not too far off being a decent default range, but you can't discount tops of peoples ranges, but merely weight them slightly less likely because they might 3bet those top hands more often.
 
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he did eliminate them, there are hands that are highlighted and hands that are not. it's not too far off being a decent default range, but you can't discount tops of peoples ranges, but merely weight them slightly less likely because they might 3bet those top hands more often.

Well then I don't think he did well as he eliminated too many hands :D

There's about 90% of the suited side of the chart that lags would tend to call with from my experience with playing vs the bad lags along with some non suited one gappers that haven't been highlighted.

I don't think it's really possible to assign a set range like this per group as all individuals will be different and some will play certain hands others won't etc etc

I'd be one of those players personally who completely mixes it up and nearly any single hand will be good enough to make a play with. It all depends on how you perceive the opening raiser vs how they perceive you imo


Edit: what program is OP using?
 
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Well then I don't think he did well as he eliminated too many hands :D

There's about 90% of the suited side of the chart that lags would tend to call with from my experience with playing vs the bad lags along with some non suited one gappers that haven't been highlighted.

I don't think it's really possible to assign a set range like this per group as all individuals will be different and some will play certain hands others won't etc etc

I'd be one of those players personally who completely mixes it up and nearly any single hand will be good enough to make a play with. It all depends on how you perceive the opening raiser vs how they perceive you imo


Edit: what program is OP using?

ya i agree, but it's really important to have a set of decent default ranges. so when you go into a readless table, you can somewhat play well, otherwise you are just kind of making it up as you go along. So having a set default range you 3bet or call or raise with will help you be able to play many more tables at a higher winrate than you could if you just go in blind and make it up, as you have to think more about it, which costs you time.

once you have reads you then adjust your default ranges to make more optimal lines/plays. This is obviously not the only way to do things, but i think it's a really good way to go, but takes some time to set it up.

Overall agree that one set of ranges does not fit all, but without any reads, you don't have info to go on anyways, so you kind of always have a set default play, with more reads like they are loose/tight you can adjust the default ranges, and then with even more info, make way more profitable lines vs more specific opponant types but as mentioned you need the info to start with.

It's generally not a great idea to think too hard about how players percieve you, unless you are playing against known regs for many many hands it doesn't really come into play much. it's pretty hard to work out what fish think, so best to just think about their range and not level yourself.

I think he is using "pokerstove" but i could be wrong. There are plenty of better programs out there, but they all cost money. i think equilab is slightly better than stove, but it's really a preferance thing they both do the same.
 
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Personally I think your 3 bet range for unknowns is way to wide. I haven't played the exact tournaments specified but I find the average low stakes tournament player to be 3 betting 0-3% which is very tight and very top heavy.

As a general rule I will give people credit for 3 bets until I have a fairly decent sample on them to say otherwise. This means putting their range on TT+ AK.

As said I do not play these tournaments and I generally stay away from turbos as well so things could be different.
 
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ya i agree, but it's really important to have a set of decent default ranges. so when you go into a readless table, you can somewhat play well, otherwise you are just kind of making it up as you go along. So having a set default range you 3bet or call or raise with will help you be able to play many more tables at a higher winrate than you could if you just go in blind and make it up, as you have to think more about it, which costs you time.

once you have reads you then adjust your default ranges to make more optimal lines/plays. This is obviously not the only way to do things, but i think it's a really good way to go, but takes some time to set it up.

Overall agree that one set of ranges does not fit all, but without any reads, you don't have info to go on anyways, so you kind of always have a set default play, with more reads like they are loose/tight you can adjust the default ranges, and then with even more info, make way more profitable lines vs more specific opponant types but as mentioned you need the info to start with.

It's generally not a great idea to think too hard about how players percieve you, unless you are playing against known regs for many many hands it doesn't really come into play much. it's pretty hard to work out what fish think, so best to just think about their range and not level yourself.

I think he is using "pokerstove" but i could be wrong. There are plenty of better programs out there, but they all cost money. i think equilab is slightly better than stove, but it's really a preferance thing they both do the same.

I understand what you are saying by having some example ranges set out so that when you go on to a new table you will have something to work with.

Personally whenever I get switched tables i always give players the obvious ranges for each position of the table and as I see hands they play add alot more hands to their ranges, 2-3 orbits later you'll have established the tags and lags and which players your chips are gonna come from when you need to make a play
 
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What program is that? I like that table format, I will borrow it for my Excel version. Anyways, I would tend to raise or fold, unless its very early.
 
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Im using pokerstove , because it's free :D
Thanks for the info and advice , I really appreciate it. Of course I adjust ranges as I go along , but this is just a starting point at unknown table to help me better decide where i stand on the flop.
I stopped playing TURBO's know because there is a lot more variance than in regulars. TURBO's are shove festivals and I don't reccommed them.
 
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