Big $11.. never slow play set on pokerstars

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I'm mad at myself .. am angry at pokerstar, I am angry at everything .. my big mistake!
PokerStars - 600/1200 Ante 150 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP+1: 17.35 BB (VPIP: 13.64, PFR: 9.09, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, hands: 22)
MP+2: 5.76 BB (VPIP: 11.11, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)
CO: 20.45 BB (VPIP: 14.81, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 27)
BTN: 8.38 BB (VPIP: 31.82, PFR: 13.64, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 22)
Hero (SB): 58.9 BB
BB: 39.83 BB (VPIP: 30.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)
UTG: 16.48 BB (VPIP: 18.18, PFR: 4.55, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 22)
UTG+1: 59.74 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
MP: 34.2 BB (VPIP: 27.27, PFR: 22.73, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 22)

9 players post ante of 0.13 BB, Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.63 BB) Hero has 5 5

fold, UTG+1 raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, CO calls 3 BB, fold, Hero calls 2.5 BB, BB calls 2 BB

Flop: (13.13 BB, 4 players) 5 4 A
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG+1 bets 6.56 BB, fold, Hero calls 6.56 BB, fold

Turn: (26.25 BB, 2 players) J
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks

River: (26.25 BB, 2 players) K
Hero bets 11 BB, UTG+1 raises to 50.05 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 38.22 BB and is all-in

UTG+1 shows K K (Three of a Kind, Kings)
(Pre 80%, Flop 10%, Turn 5%)
Hero shows 5 5 (Three of a Kind, Fives)
(Pre 20%, Flop 90%, Turn 95%)
UTG+1 wins 124.68 BB
 
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Insulting the K on the river. Will not do anything - is the game.
 
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Seems like a standard cooler. Could potentially bet/fold the river if villain never raises light here.
 
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i would have bet flop, most raising hands pre would have a ace in there there two down cards , really your looking to stack ak or two pair hands. if you bet flop and turn good chance he would have folded his kk before river even happening , but as played i would stack off there too by river

it would be a good play vs agro player , giving him more rope to hang himself
i would even play it this way sometimes vs agro players
feelsbadman
 
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In late game you should always bet very high or go all-in if you have very good hand.
Now when I have about 10BB or even more in the late game and I get AA or KK I instantly go all-in. I tried to slowplay hundreds of times and almost always it was bad decision. If you have threes on the flop you should go all-in. It's just safer.
 
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if you bet flop and turn good chance he would have folded his kk before river even happening ,
Yes I agree with you, my mistake. I thought to give him a chance for maybe two pairs Ax :(
 
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just because you lost the hand doesnt mean it was a mistake

you will never survive in poker if you are results oriented. forget the results and think about the whole range of hands that he could play this way at each street.
 
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A typical situation for this site is sympathy:p
 
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Tnx mate.. but I think I should play hard on turn and stop/fold him before river :(
Why would you want villain to fold the turn?

Are you saying that, in future situations like this, you're going to bet big on the turn and make your opponents fold?
 
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Tnx mate.. but I think I should play hard on turn and stop/fold him before river :(

thats results oriented thinking. you are ahead of him and he only has a 5% chance of beating you on the turn. if you bet, you are never getting value from his worse hands because he just doesnt check strong aces here. he might have weak aces, but hes folding if you bet and you get more value by under repping your hand and letting him bet his weak aces on the river.

your mistake (if any) was calling his jam on the river. you played preflop flop and turn perfectly. the river is the tricky spot there, you could go for check call or bet fold. and maybe bet calling might be right too but id have to give a little more thought too it. but i think my first instinct is check call
 
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You lost to a very good hand (three of a king), look this slow play ... Sometimes works but at this moment I play very strong when I have any three specially in poker stars. Good luck next tournament bro and this is poker.
 

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Why?.... for two reasons

1- To avoid those type of situations and protect my hand. Sometime you wait for a hand for a long time and we need to proctect it.

2- Too many bad beats in recent MTT in pokerstars.
thats a terrible reason to bet. when you have 95% equity, you should be thinking about how do i get paid the most possible chips.

you should absolutely not be afraid of a 5% suckout. if thats what youre afraid of, you're thinking about poker the wrong way.

there are only two reasons a person should bet and those two reasons are: to make worse hands call and to make better hands fold.

if you bet on this turn, are you more likely to make a worse hand call or make a worse hand fold? if youre more likely to make a worse hand fold, and only better hands call then it is a bad idea to bet.
 
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thats a terrible reason to bet. when you have 95% equity, you should be thinking about how do i get paid the most possible chips.

you should absolutely not be afraid of a 5% suckout. if thats what youre afraid of, you're thinking about poker the wrong way.

there are only two reasons a person should bet and those two reasons are: to make worse hands call and to make better hands fold.

if you bet on this turn, are you more likely to make a worse hand call or make a worse hand fold? if youre more likely to make a worse hand fold, and only better hands call then it is a bad idea to bet.

Thanks for the advice, I recognize that is not the best way to play, but sometimes it is frustrating.
 
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It is very constructive you realize you did a mistake, instead of just tilting and blaming everything and "Jokerstars" first of all.

Show me player who actually learned from victories.
 
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I would bet on turn, I like to kill hands like like that before the showdown, but with KK, I think he would call anyway. You were just unlucky.
 
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Thanks for the advice, I recognize that is not the best way to play, but sometimes it is frustrating.

yes it can absolutely be frustrating, but its part of poker. it helps to remember that even 5% is still one time out if 20. its going to happen. but the other 19 times it will hold up on the river. when i look at my chip graph (in big blinds) on pokertracker, i like to ignore the green line and just look at my yellow line (EV) and as long as my yellow line is going up over a reasonable sample size then i know I'm playing well.

I know I can be a little harsh sometimes but I mean the best by it. sometimes we all need someone to give us the business and let us know that something we are doing is costing us money in the long term.
 
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I'm mad at myself .. am angry at pokerstar, I am angry at everything .. my big mistake!
PokerStars - 600/1200 Ante 150 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP+1: 17.35 BB (VPIP: 13.64, PFR: 9.09, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 22)
MP+2: 5.76 BB (VPIP: 11.11, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)
CO: 20.45 BB (VPIP: 14.81, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 27)
BTN: 8.38 BB (VPIP: 31.82, PFR: 13.64, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 22)
Hero (SB): 58.9 BB
BB: 39.83 BB (VPIP: 30.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)
UTG: 16.48 BB (VPIP: 18.18, PFR: 4.55, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 22)
UTG+1: 59.74 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
MP: 34.2 BB (VPIP: 27.27, PFR: 22.73, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 22)

9 players post ante of 0.13 BB, Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.63 BB) Hero has 5 5

fold, UTG+1 raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, CO calls 3 BB, fold, Hero calls 2.5 BB, BB calls 2 BB

Flop: (13.13 BB, 4 players) 5 4 A
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG+1 bets 6.56 BB, fold, Hero calls 6.56 BB, fold

Turn: (26.25 BB, 2 players) J
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks

River: (26.25 BB, 2 players) K
Hero bets 11 BB, UTG+1 raises to 50.05 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 38.22 BB and is all-in

UTG+1 shows K K (Three of a Kind, Kings)
(Pre 80%, Flop 10%, Turn 5%)
Hero shows 5 5 (Three of a Kind, Fives)
(Pre 20%, Flop 90%, Turn 95%)
UTG+1 wins 124.68 BB
Hhhh..so pity but u definetely had to push on that flop and turn....he definetely was scared of ace and u could put him a pocket pair and kk was in his variance.
 
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Never slow play a set, idk how you can have this mindset when playing poker. What if the flop comes 10, 5, 2 rainbow and you have a set of tens. It is so very unlikely that you will end up with the worst hand once the river comes and an overcard could come on the turn or river that could result in a huge payoff.

Just my opinion but I think on very dry boards it is a great idea to slow play a set.
 
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I would check-raise the flop if UTG+1 is at least somewhat sticky with his top pairs. Make the check-raise around 17-18bb on the flop, you could get called by AK and AQ which is a big part of his range, maybe even AJ.
All the pocket pairs are seldom going to give you more than one street of value, so try and grow the pot immediately on the flop against the hands that you dominate, that way you will at least have a good chance to get paid.
Slowplaying is not as good, since he is often going to check back on the turn or river with his top pair, which gives him a chance to play perfectly against you, and lose less.
So make them pay next time!
 
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I doubt fast playing that set would of made any difference because I don't think he was folding KK there before the river anyways. He had plans of calling you down to the river without question. just a cooler set over set.
 
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thats results oriented thinking. you are ahead of him and he only has a 5% chance of beating you on the turn
 
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