Below Average Stack vs constant stealer

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So played a tourney today, was down to 14k chips, and the guy behind me has about 80k chips. Blinds are 800/1200.

He is constantly stealing from HJ,CO,Button. I keep getting junk like 72os, 83os etc etc. So I keep folding my SB and BB. Though he got a lot of callers from the early position limpers, most of his hands are junk like J3os, etc etc but his stack is so huge he will call any raise.

I'm aware of his attempts, but my hands are garbage and his stack is so huge I cannot effectivly re-steal. Finally got K10s on the button, he raises for a steal I re-raise, he 4bets me all in, I call.... He has J4os and flop shows two jacks with no diamonds for me and I bust out.

So what can I really do in this situation when I'm getting garbage, and the table leader keeps stealing with garbage, but you know hes so deep he will call you regardless?
 
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if he's crazy, get it in light as early as you can before he runs you over. or call his raise and see if he's crazy postflop when he missed the flop.
 
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Hi computer Dude;

3 bet with k10s is a mistake what ever the oppenement you are facing.
I f you know that he's stealing the blinds , you can just call with that hand, no reraise, so you can make your decision after the flop.


In this hand you are favorite by 67%, so you will loose 1 on 3 hands like this.
I can suugest you to play some head up cash game , so you will be able to take the best decision in such situation.

Good Luck at the tables
 
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what was your 3-bet size if he managed to 4-bet you when you only has 12 big blinds?? surely any raise there is an allin anyway?

i dont see anything wrong with shoving with K10s against an aggro player so him 4-betting you all in is irrelevant really. The chips were all going in anyway.

As zarzar says, you were a 2 to 1 favourite to double up which is ok. Your chip stack was so small that you were always gonna get looked up after you shoved to a raise. Id maybe try and shove earlier with 20 big blinds so you have a bit of fold equity but its not easy to do if youre card dead.

The joys of having a big stack!!
 
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From your example hand, youre ahead preflop, so no regrets.

Just wait for decent hands. I would consider an urgency if my stack is around 8BB and below (because of constant garbage/rag hands).

I would avoid him if I have marginal hands (even though I know Im ahead preflop) but definitely face him with decent hands(top 25 SH).
 
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800 sb and 1200 bb?

If the bb was 1200, then you had less than 12bb. If 1600, then 9bb. In either case, you should shove or fold.
 
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With less than 12 BB, you should not be doing anything other than shoving or folding against an open. KTs is more than good enough to 3-bet shove against the opponent described (and most opponents, really). You should be fist pumping when he calls you with J4. The hand is over at that point, as far as you're concerned. The fact that he got lucky one time is no concern of yours - you can't win a tournament without winning some all ins.
 
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Well I don't know, personally I would put it in all cases, with only small pairs,or with any ACE, he steals from his huge stack, but 85% of its stealing his ACE you will beat die off half of the range of his hands
 
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So you got it in good and lost?
I would have done the same.
 
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The best advice given to me in this situation is to disallow yourself from ending up here in the first place. Steal more blinds, take more stances (particularly against the aggressive BU who is often weak), while you still have the FE. A lot of aggros will back down (off you, anyway) once they know that your blinds aren't for barter.

Once you get down to the SS ~9BB, as already indicated, it's shove or fold.
 
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With less than 12 BB, you should not be doing anything other than shoving or folding against an open. KTs is more than good enough to 3-bet shove against the opponent described (and most opponents, really). You should be fist pumping when he calls you with J4. The hand is over at that point, as far as you're concerned. The fact that he got lucky one time is no concern of yours - you can't win a tournament without winning some all ins.

What he said. I am learning more and more that it doesn't matter where you finish in any particular situation, just that you are getting them in ahead. Getting them in ahead is the part that you can control.
 
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I just tried the same situation. Wish I had seen this thread before.

I could see him being a bully from an early point, but I didnt do anything about it.

I could see others trying to stand up to him but they all fell out.

Think I got scared not good for a pokerplayer.

From now on I will stop such a player ealier or at least try.
 
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going all in with K10 was the right decision there in my mind, shoving with any ace or any pair would also have been the right move against such a player. Considering your stack and the blinds you have to take such risks and it is a good risk to take as you will be ahead his range most of the time.

Not only that whenever he folds in late position you can attempt a steal here and there by shoving in late position as this will boost your stack.
 
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I agree in this situation it's either push all in,fold,or avoid .If your raise over the top of this kind of player it's an automatic all in with your stack size .There's something about raising over the top of some people that just seems to piss them off,your better off going all in and betting before him and giving him the option to fold,unless it's your intention to double up.
 
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As they say there is usually a good an bad side to every situation.

this blind stealer is constantly betting at you so when you do hit that premium hand you can probably slow play it and easily double up against this player.

I'm always happy to see a player being very aggressive at the table because I know that I won't have a problem getting his chips when I have a good hand. You just have to be patient.

On the other hand the best way to stop a bully from bullying you is to punch him in the face; in terms of stopping a blind stealer, if you constantly push all your chips in every time he raises you, you will definitely send a message. Of course, the risk of confronting a bully is that he will whip your butt so you should only do things like this when you have a somewhat decent hand to stand firm with.
 
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On the other hand the best way to stop a bully from bullying you is to punch him in the face; in terms of stopping a blind stealer, if you constantly push all your chips in every time he raises you, you will definitely send a message.

Excellent advice. Very effective too hehe ;) :D :eek:
 
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