Barreling a turn when you know your opponent is weak.

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The opponent was loose and mostly aggressive. This is a big fish who I knew would not limp with his big hands, so I can safey assume he is very weak. when I bet on the flop he only flat calls.. this type of aggressive player is just going to bet when they have something but he only flat calls. so again I put him on something extremely weak. and when the turn card hits it looks like a good card to barrel off on. but against this type of player he probly thinking his 3 is good now and that I don't have a ten.. maybe another high card on turn wuld have been better to barrel off on. all I know is I knew he was extremely weak the whole time but maybe it was my mistake barrelling off to a complete fish? maybe I should save those plays for better opponents? for some reason lately I have been doing this play when I feel they are weak and the right player to do it too and it has been working perfectly. Just ran into ultra fish this time

Or maybe shouldn't attempt against big stacks?

And before anyone tells me this isn't how I should play AQ. Just remember im playing what I think my opponent has and what he thinks I have.
 
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but maybe it was my mistake barrelling off to a complete fish? maybe I should save those plays for better opponents?

This ^ ^ ^ exactly. You rarely want to keep barreling into a fish/station. Once your cbet hasn't worked, its time to slow down(those double and triple barrel bluffs only work on good players). Also, the raise preflop and the turn barrel was a bit large.
 
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Your mistake there was in putting your thought process into his, just because you can think he thinks you think doesn't mean he thinks you think he thinks you get my point... in essence, double barreling someone you know is a ''big fish'' means you are either a fish too or you are just not as good as you think you are. it's one or the other, be honest with yourself and readjust
 
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Well i disagree with most people, I think if you think your opponent folds enough to double barrel, it is correct to barrel again here. I hate the thinking, oh he's a fish, you can't bluff fish. The important thing is to make the decision that makes the most money. Sure it can be risky, since you can make a misread, but your read is that he c-f a lot to turn c-bets. Plus AQ is an okay hand to have vs his calling range, so it's not that bad. ofc he calls with third pair, but you adjust your read and move on, and learn how to make better reads in future
 
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he has 17k u got 5k . i think his limp in was ok, not the best hand. Your bet was a little big i think . I always see players do this where they cbet the flop about 2/3 the pot, its starting to be more recognizable because i noticed myself making the same mistake sometimes against smaller stacks tho. Big stacks wont fold and if hes gonna play Q3 hes for sure gonna call another raise once his card hit the flop which will lead him to call your all in after he checks that turn. You could have avoided the all in. and if your gonna rep a pair smaller than 10, hes gonna call , if you rep an overpair, people are more likely to check to induce the bigstack to bluff instead, so you would have checkcd the flop if that was the case. so what im assuming is your opponent thought his 3 was good. which it was .. just bad timing. better luck next time.
 
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He flat's a 5x raise OOP, and then he floats a dry board, theirs no draw's on so with another 10 coming on the turn it's unlikely a second barrel is going to get him off this hand' he either has a piece of the board/pocket pair or overcard's such as A-10+ maybe Broadway spec.
Or he's just a complete lunatic

Check turn here for sure if you had 17k and he had 6k then betting around 4k might of worked
 
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Raise pre size is way to big.

Turn shove seems bad. Just give up turn when called on flop, turn card is a great one for the fish to continue. Fish won't fold anything especially a pair here.
 
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With that big bet you told him that hands such as ace 10 king 10 or other same kind of hands are out of your range because most of those hands will not raise that much preflop .
So you could only have a pocket 10s which is highly unlikely as two 10s are out their and you all in on the turn did not look like you had quads so his calls were correct the only hand i could put you on without seeing your cards was ace king which he had beat until the river but you never made it that far.
so i will say is wasn't a bad play but your story telling could be improved.
 
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After you assess a players capabilities try and only play 1 'level' above them.
 
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And before anyone tells me this isn't how I should play AQ. Just remember im playing what I think my opponent has and what he thinks I have.

Apparently not, cause way you bet that, im pretty sure he put you on two overs and figured his 3 was good. Your bet pre was pretty massive for AQo. Should of thought about slowing down after flop. After betting that big pre and getting a call and guy flats you on flop. My first thoughts was he had a higher PP then board, possible he hit a set. I was shocked to see guy call you down with a 3. Might of been possible he has seen you do a play like this before and caught on. I dont see that shove on turn being optimal either. I mean really, with raise you made pre, the size of it and size if your cbet and shove on turn. I would of put you on two things. 1)Complete "Air" (AK/AQ 2) higher Pocket Pair then board. He made a good read if that was his thought process.
 
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