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I just dont understand how certain people win these tournaments all tge time. I played tournaments all weekend and min cashed in 2 out of like 15 maybe more. I consistently make it to the late middle stages and the same thing happens everytime I take a gamble trying to get chips to make the final table. I dont know what I am doing wrong?
 
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The wrong thing is " you take the gamble to reach at final table even you are in middle position."
The right tactics is to have and maintain 20-25 BBs till the last 9th position. There is no need to take risk till final table if you have around 20 BBs and in final table just avoid playing Allins. Focus on your position. Make deep carefull note about the tactics of your opponents.
Always avoid Allins in late phases of the game if you are having 20 BBs or more. Remember when BBs are 10000. You have stack size of 200000. When Bbs are 50000. You have stack size of 1000000. So if you just maintain you chipstack around 20 BBS you are already having decent stack size to challenge any opponent.
Always try to preserve your stack then to sacrifice it like in chasing a flush draw or a gut shot straight till River.
Remember at middle late phases only experienced players survive and at this level winning hand get decided mostly at Flop. So do not act like a fish at this point.
So just practice and imbibe the steps in your game.
Best of luck.
 
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Sound familiar)) I did the same thing when I know nothing about poker. I recommend to do the training.
 
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You need to play tight aggressive to get to final table
 
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Gotta get lucky. Then..., gotta get good at getting lucky...
 
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Yah Every new player does basic mistakes but the key thing how much u learn from your mistakes and goofs and improve that over the time. Bad beats and luck are an integrated part of the poker but its effects can easily done lower subsequently and effectively by using poker skills.
Just practice, learn and control your emotion and have happy poker journey.
Keep small goals in your mind. Like initially try to last at middle stages. Once it becomes your hobby or in your nature then focus to last till late phases say you try to reach every 1 time in late phase out of 4 time in middle phase. That the conversion rate falls at 25%. Once you are comfortable with that then try to reach at the final bout. Remember the thing is big if you make at last table say in every 10th or 15th attempt then it is great achievement.
Poker is not about the winning 1st. It is about the skills and challenge you put forward to other players to honour you.

Good luck.
 
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The issue most likely is where you are attempting to gamble. If it is just after the bubble then you should expect a lot of play back as people try to hit final table with a double up.
Its a problem for me figuring out a tourneys stages where you can approach the gamble/stealing effectively.
The part about players often winning is a interesting part due to table image.
When I first started playing I would give any pokerstars pro the benefit of the doubt or allow them to steal my blinds knowing they could out play me.
So these players that often cash get the same benefits that give a pretty nice edge for them.
 
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Definately when playing MTTs the few things to take into consideration is table dynamics, if your at a tournament full of fish you will make it to loads of final tables if you take the correct gambles at the right time, however the flipside is you will also have to risk more often as players dont understand optimal calling ranges and will call all ins with mediocre hands.


the last thing to consider is how big is the tournaments ur trying to win, 100 players is my personal comfort zone currently, but if your trying to play larger scale tournaments with 250, 300, 500 or 1000s then you will find urself getting unlucky a lot more often as luck with races can be a large aspect later on in the tournament
 
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The wrong thing is " you take the gamble to reach at final table even you are in middle position."
The right tactics is to have and maintain 20-25 BBs till the last 9th position. There is no need to take risk till final table if you have around 20 BBs and in final table just avoid playing Allins. Focus on your position. Make deep carefull note about the tactics of your opponents.
Always avoid Allins in late phases of the game if you are having 20 BBs or more. Remember when BBs are 10000. You have stack size of 200000. When Bbs are 50000. You have stack size of 1000000. So if you just maintain you chipstack around 20 BBS you are already having decent stack size to challenge any opponent.
Always try to preserve your stack then to sacrifice it like in chasing a flush draw or a gut shot straight till River.
Remember at middle late phases only experienced players survive and at this level winning hand get decided mostly at Flop. So do not act like a fish at this point.
So just practice and imbibe the steps in your game.
Best of luck.

Excellent advice. A little difficult to put into to practice, but still - I like it.

Gotta get lucky. Then..., gotta get good at getting lucky...

One thousand dollars goes to anybody who can provide me with a surefire way to :) "get good at getting lucky". :) Payment will be provided as soon as I get lucky to the tune of ten thousand dollars.
 
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Excellent advice. A little difficult to put into to practice, but still - I like it.



One thousand dollars goes to anybody who can provide me with a surefire way to :) "get good at getting lucky". :) Payment will be provided as soon as I get lucky to the tune of ten thousand dollars.


Play any 2 trash cards against my pocket aces.
Or shove all in any large raise I make even when you know I have you beat as long as there is a card or 2 left that you have less than 10% chance of hitting for the win.

There are your sure fire ways in guarantee getting good at getting lucky. Everyone else seems to have learned this tactic though.
 
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I guess dont take unneeded risks. Just dont push with top pair on a check-shove on 3 suited turnriver... stuf like taht =)
 
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You are making it pretty far then roll the dice and are unlucky someone had a better hand or they got lucky. That is my understanding of what you are saying. I would suggest adjusting what you are doing at this point. I try to have a huge stack but most of the time I am just floating along to the point you speak of. That is when you need to be very sharp minded. Know when to shove so that you are winning uncontested not doubling up. Just the blinds and antes are huge at this point. I always try to avoid getting so short that I am called regardless. This means you will sometimes need to shove light and pray you arent called. This works best first when you are in late position but also when you havent been active. Players are watching you too. If you arent getting cards you must pick the right time to bluff shove and pray you arent called..if you are then pray you get lucky. There is no magic formula at this point but the players that are winning more often just know when to make a move and when not to..focus each time you reach this point and keep track of your decisions. See if you can identify if you are making an obvious error.
 
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Just looking at your initial comment of cashing maybe 2 out of 15 times. That's about a 14% cashout ratio. "sillymunchie" was on the money with the tournament size, as the larger the field the more likely the luckouts seem to come. Back to my 14%, that is actually close to the ratio of cashes that pro's expect to make. I think you should also pay attention to George Lewis' advice. Sometimes, you have to shove light and hope to get lucky. It usually happens against me though. So I call an A 2 shove with A 8 and get beat when the 2 flops. Or go all-in with KJ and get called by K 4 and the 4 flops. I am considering quitting the game because it seems to be happening to me more often recently. So that is also an option. I wish there was a magic bullet to guarantee winning, but there isn't. Of all the advice I keep seeing and hearing, the most effective always seems to be: learn to make the correct decisions, don't worry about results, and play within your bankroll. In the long run, these seem to be the most profitable pieces of advice.
 
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It is great getting all of the feedback that everyone has provided me. I have been working on alot of what has been said. I think one of the major issues I face is calling ALLINs even knowing I am ahead of the range of the original raiser and taking this gamble when I really do no have to based on my chipstack. It seems like these are the spots that are killing me the most, with the mindset of making it to the final table with a big stack. I am very consistent with the stages that I am being eliminated and it is typically in the middle to late stages. I play a very tight aggressive style in ttournaments. I have been reading and trying to train myself for these spots. Shoving light seems like an excellent play as a steal the issue I have been encountering though is luck not being on my side, like a steal with A5s on the Btn with nitty blinds only to run into AQ and not hit or vice versa catch a stealer from the button while in the BB with AKo they show A2 and they catch their 2. been happening to me quite frequently.
 
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You should realize that Your One And Only Major Issue at this time is that you are playing 15 or more MTTs in 48 hours. Do you just sit in front of your computer all weekend and do nothing else. I will make a bet and give 5 to 1 odds to anyone that you lose a lot of them before the first break. Be Honest. Socialpro29 you are your worst enemy. What kind of BR are you playing with? How much are you spending on each MTT? Do you rebuy and add on? Lets take $100 as an example for your BR. Ok you are playing, on average $2 buy ins, that's $30 for 15 games. Ok lets say you rebuy 10 times, so that's another $20. Then let say you add on just 5 times. All that adds up to $60 and it's over half of your BR and you min cashed twice. What's wrong with that picture? Socialpro29 how long have you been here? If I'm remembering right, I welcomed you and gave you some starting advice. Look back on that tread so it can be seen again and I think you will get some good advice and if you use it, your game will turn around. Anyway, GL to you. Do yourself a big favor and take a break
 
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I have been playing a gamble style lately also, defending BB every time with trash hands, coming in from SB with 9 2 off suit when i was getting 10 to 1 on my money. Trying to bluff and buy pots to much and I realized i was bleeding a lot of chips like this. 18 players left i was 3rd in chips, i bled them all out and lost in 17th for playing like that. The next game i decided to play tight and not bluff or get involved with bad hands. I obeyed my own rules for the tourney and ended up winning. I played a ultra NIT style. I think you may be gambling to often in spots you shouldn't be in. Try to tighten up and play less hands, they will give you more credit for a good hand when you do get involved.
 
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Play tight aggressive early and trap with big hands of course. Turn up the heat while in late position when stealing the blinds make a world of difference in your stack size. Then let people fight it out again late only getting involved with great starters. If you get in hands look at their current stack and bet somewhere around 25% when leading off with high hand ranges. Late in the game is the battle for the blinds and of course getting your chips in with the best hand. I have been pretty successful with this strategy but I think alot of the changing gears comes with playing a ton of poker over the years. The table is tight bet them off. The table gets loose then time to go back into tight aggressive mode. I'm a strong believer in betting instead of calling in late game play situations. Slow rolling will do nothing but get you in trouble unless you are sitting on quads or Aces Full. Best of luck tuning your game!!:)
 
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The style that you used to go deep in the tourney, is the same you need to keep playing. Instead of gambling away your chips trying to make a final table. If your style is solid, the final tables will come.
 
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PapaC, I do not usually play Rebuy tourneys and if i do i limit myself to 1 buyin, and as far as playing i had 2 to 3 tourneys going at once and the buyins were anywhere from $3 to $5 no higher
 
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Yeah that's what I was getting at. As far as the rebuys, it's just something I'm seeing more and more of. That makes covering the GTDs easier. I was just using that as an example. No harm meant. GL to you
 
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I just dont understand how certain people win these tournaments all tge time. I played tournaments all weekend and min cashed in 2 out of like 15 maybe more. I consistently make it to the late middle stages and the same thing happens everytime I take a gamble trying to get chips to make the final table. I dont know what I am doing wrong?

imho you simply have not played enough yet watch some twitch some of the better players how they get to final tables over and over. The one thing in poker is there is no legit one way of doing things yet there are proven ways. I consitently put self into position for chip lead moves and for winning etc.. i have played enough like kid poker said he could care less if gets to final table in last place or first place he expects to win still. Things you can check is where are you faltering? what time frame blinds etc.. One thing unger said is fold to fold another day... if im getting decent cards this is the thing I am worst at. Yet sometimes one fold is all you need but also one non play can be a play you needed to make. The more you play the more you review your play the easier it is to handle those situations.

I feel good as long as I am making good decisions knowing im going to lose at times making all the right decisions. Accepting that part of poker and forgetting those losses. Go in expecting to win mindset put yourself into positions to win and overall you should do ok.

I took week off sick watched a lot of tape alpha 8 some others. Thinking on what can change to be more consistent with me its the over aggression and if can match that with putting self in right situations who knows what I can do. Yet until i get a better grasp of it I will not be as successful as I can and should be:) Be honest with self:)
 
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One thousand dollars goes to anybody who can provide me with a surefire way to :) "get good at getting lucky". :) Payment will be provided as soon as I get lucky to the tune of ten thousand dollars.[/QUOTE]

I like money!
 
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I have a question for you, you have 13 bb your opponent has 16 has 12 players in the tournament the blinds will go up missing 1 minute is folded you are in the sb 72 What would you do?
 
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Pokerstars let people lose with AA against AK to often and then when tilting let u win a smaller pot with K3 orso, so people deposit more to win back 4 times faster what they just got screwed over, but then it all starts over again, people calling with QJ on a A-10-2 board hoping for that King for a straight, and more then the odds should allow they hit more then you should win, its all a big scam
 
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Pokerstars let people lose with AA against AK to often and then when tilting let u win a smaller pot with K3 orso, so people deposit more to win back 4 times faster what they just got screwed over, but then it all starts over again, people calling with QJ on a A-10-2 board hoping for that King for a straight, and more then the odds should allow they hit more then you should win, its all a big scam

I thought so too, until I started to analyze my history and realized how my game was mediocre.
But if you are putting money in the pot with the best hand is doing all right, let's say you have a pair of aces you make a pre-flop sb button raise is 3bet you do 4bet and sb pays the flop comes TK 3 you increases the flop and sb pays the turn brings a 7 you go all-in and is paid the river behind a lady, you show you their sovereign AA and your opponent shows AJ pulling the gg it pot and follow the game. Well let's look at you put money in the pot, always in front of his opponent, he played whole hand badly, no matter he pulled his hand movements were all perfect and that's what matters.
Now I have a suggestion for you, or understand it as fast as possible, preferably so read it, or saves your time giving up poker. Good luck
 
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