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In general limping with a strong hand such as KK or AA is certainly frowned upon because it allows the possibility of multiway pot where people can see a cheap flop. However, if one were to find themselves late in a tournament when a good deal of the fish have been weeded out might it be a nice play to limp from early position to induce a reraise which you can then either reraise or call?

I feel like a reraise would telegraph what you have and induce a fold. A cold call might put them under the impression you're weak and a strong cbet will push you out. If you do check the flop and they strongly cbet and you reraise you either now take down a larger pot if they fold, or you have them pot committed which is excellent depending on the texture of the board. This can probably only be done once per group of people you're with before they may catch on. Thoughts?
 
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limping with a strong hand such as KK or AA I believe it is only a good idea if there are 1 or maybe 2 players( a lot of time 2 is not good) in the pot because there is less of a chance of hitting something good. If you limp with a group of players the most likely they will hit a monster hand. Especially on online poker. Have you notice when u watch poker that pros rarely limp or check even when they have a good or great hand.
 
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When you watch pros you only see a select few hands. My point was to try to induce a raise, not to have several other limpers. At a strong table late in a tournament I don't think it would be unreasonable to assume being reraised if you limp early position. If you think online poker is different in that respect you might want to go check out the rigged megathread.
 
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I understand the point, thats all assuming you get reraised.

If you don't get reraised then you either get stuck with the BB, or entered into a multiway pot with a bunch of limpers. Then 2 situations can happen:
1. outflopped, lose big pot
2. hand holds, you bet, folds, win small pot

If you do check the flop and they strongly cbet and you reraise you either now take down a larger pot if they fold, or you have them pot committed which is excellent depending on the texture of the board.

Ok than now lets assume you do get re-raied pf, and you flat call.
You check back and he bets, and you re-raise.

Depending on the bet-sizing, since you just flatted, the pot may still be small.
but similar results:
1. outflopped, lose big pot
2. he folds, win med sized pot (maybe?)

I feel like it can change alot depending on bet-sizes too. I don't know if I am doing it right, but its a pretty unique situation.
This is all assuming that you get re-raised pf, and assuming that he c-bets strongly on flop.
 
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I think this would only be an option UTG or maybe, maybe UTG+1, any other spot and I dont know if it could be pulled off efficiently...what does TJ Cloutier call this, something like playing second hand low? i think?
 
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I'm sure that there will be a perfect spot to play every hand every way. However, most of your spots will be best played in a conventional way. You will most always want to raise with your premium hands. If you don't you will have to make sure you can really pin point the right situations too. It won't be as easy as "If I limp he'll probably raise". Table dynamics, stack sizes, your image, his image, the level your playing at, and a ton of other meta game type things will have to be thought of.
 
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I'm sure that there will be a perfect spot to play every hand every way. However, most of your spots will be best played in a conventional way. You will most always want to raise with your premium hands. If you don't you will have to make sure you can really pin point the right situations too. It won't be as easy as "If I limp he'll probably raise". Table dynamics, stack sizes, your image, his image, the level your playing at, and a ton of other meta game type things will have to be thought of.

this is a really great post.

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