Bad play late in a MTT?

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Ok, I just lost a huge hand late in a MTT and ultimately got knocked out 2 hands later. We were down to 13 players from 65. I was the chip leader with about 200K in the cut off. Blinds are 3 and 6K with 1K ante my table is 7 handed. I open from the cut off to 22K with Qs10c. Button folds, Villain calls from the small with another 106K behind, big folds.
Flop 8QK all hearts
Villain donks 20K
I call
Turn 5s
Villain bets 30K
I snap shove
Villain snap calls with Ah8s
River 5h
I lose.

I read him weak or on the draw.
Should I have folded the flop? Shoved the flop?
Thoughts, please?
 
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play is perfectly fine, you got it in ahead and lost it sucks but as long as you're getting it in ahead you're doing good
 
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imo it wasn`t good play.
To bet 22 k is ok, if u want to steal the blinds with this weak hand.
As u get called u should get alarmed.
and the bet of 20 k against the chipleader is for me a) a sign of a strong hand or
b) he has the chance for top flush and/or is willing to chase it
I never put him on a bluff just before final Table here
I would have folded to his bet even with the Q pair
 
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I think you made the correct plays all around, but why would you want to go up against another big stack when you're so close to the money? normally i would prolly bet once after the flop and then check it down lol.
 
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I woulda folded flop. You're in a comfortable position chip-wise. No need to take a big risk with a marginal hand.
 
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you played well just that variance in poker is so, do not be disappointed .. a hug
 
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you played the hand really bad , you donked off your whole stack on a bluff
bet smaller pre
call on flop is marginal
when villain bets the turn he comits himself to the pot and you have no fold equity left , and you are turning your hand into a bluff.
8/10 times you are behind
 
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Wow, yeah. Just noticed that you made it almost 4x pre. Why'd you do that?
 
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I never want to get involved in a hand 3 suited with 2nd pair with 13 people left. You need to keep the pot small and avoid making it big on 2nd pair and flush out there. Sure you have last position but he is pot committed on turn. If he has pair and flush draw he has 14 outs, no one is folding nut flush draw with pair after he put 65% of his stack in there, you play to win or at least top 3...
 
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Imo it wasn't the greatest play in the world. With a comfortable chip lead, I'm not sure raising that amount was the greatest opening pre-flop. I probably would've just limped in if anything with Q 10 off.

The tri-heart flop would've scared me off being that hearts wouldn't have been a suit of mine. I think the Villain's "donk" of 20K would've gotten me to fold even with the Q pair because the flush possibility is there pretty strong, as well as the possibility of the villain having a King.
 
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pre is horrible. make it 13K or something.

as played flop call is meh. If you have a good read that this guy is only donking draws here then I can sorta see it but you're barely ahead of a single-heart hand and drawing dead to his value range. stacking off here is just bad.
 
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As most have said preflop the raise is just too much. Also facing off v. the other high chip count you probably shouldn't have shoved the turn... just fold qt... did you really need the 9k with 200,000 chips?
 
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I agree with most posts on here, pre flop thats just to much, i settle on a 2.25x pre flop raise that late in tournaments. Also being called pre flop is pretty scary, combine that with 3 hearts on flop and an overcard to your pair of queens makes for a pretty sketchy call on there flop bet and an extremely sketchy shove on the turn. Most times your only getting called by a better hand. This time they had worse but that should be viewed as the exception not the rule.
 
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2.5x pre (15k) is just fine, and to be honest, even less than this is sufficient... as this raise size is going to accomplish the exact same thing as your raise size... and by raising smaller it allows us to lose less when we are forced to fold if an opponent reshoves or 3bets...

Flop call is OK in my opinion as often people donk medium strength hands and random draws..

Turn is marginal... He is commiting himself and we have no fold equity... We are never getting a fold here so our decision is based on our read on how he has played hands in the past, etc etc... if you think he is a weak player, I don't mind going with it here as you are beating some draws and some random hands a bad player might wake up with... If you see this player as a decent, thinking player, that might add to your decision... Either way, the play on the turn is marginal at best...

Hope this helps

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not think it was a bia its option, play with a marginal hand that, I think it was well comfortable in chips to make better decisions.
 
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Job 1 = Protect Your Stack!

Just to be clear, your PF raise screamed obvious blind steal - inviting a defense.

Calling the flop just not good, ESPECIALLY if you are reading him weak or on a draw. You either jam him or get out of Dodge. You sure don't let him continue seeing cards at his price when figuring he has more outs than you do.
 
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Ok, I just lost a huge hand late in a MTT and ultimately got knocked out 2 hands later. We were down to 13 players from 65. I was the chip leader with about 200K in the cut off. Blinds are 3 and 6K with 1K ante my table is 7 handed. I open from the cut off to 22K with Qs10c. Button folds, Villain calls from the small with another 106K behind, big folds.
Flop 8QK all hearts
Villain donks 20K
I call
Turn 5s
Villain bets 30K
I snap shove
Villain snap calls with Ah8s
River 5h
I lose.

I read him weak or on the draw.
Should I have folded the flop? Shoved the flop?
Thoughts, please?

That late in the tournament and as a chip leader i would probably fold that hand, but sometimes when im in good position and when im deep in stack i would probably raise too. Flop comes with all hearts giving you a top pair and sp bets, not getting into what hand he could have but i would not call there i would either raise big right there or i would fold.

but honestly, i got myself too into a difficult position playing those facehard hands, and if i flop top pair i easily make a mistake and get knocked out.
 
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I think you made the correct plays all around, but why would you want to go up against another big stack when you're so close to the money? normally i would prolly bet once after the flop and then check it down lol.


check it down is right.
 
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I don't like your open of 22k. I think if your going to open q10 this late in the tourney I think min raising if fine.
 
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