Bad call with set due to many reads?

P

pat3392

Visionary
Silver Level
Joined
Jan 19, 2010
Total posts
565
Chips
0
Playing at a live fish venue; 60 runners, 1st gets 50% of the prize pool. Hero has a very tight image since he has folded the SB everytime and only played 3 hands up till then in the hour or so period; the only one that went to a showdown was KK

8 handed
Everyone folds to a rather spastic player in mid-early position who limps. He is very loose(just to give an idea he was preaching that one shouldn't play every hand and only play stuff like T5 when it's suited) He chases everything, and calls big raises preflop with nothing(some guy made it 6 or 8 BB and he called with A4....)

Another player limps behind; seems passive preflop; can't remember him raising preflop and seen him limp stuff like AQ; plays tight by the venues standards, something like 30%-35% of hands. If he has something post-flop he will raise it; he only seems to raise good hands post but once he bet with 33 into a 2 man pot with a A on the board and folded to a raise.

Both players have about 25 M, which is the average at the table. I luckily have 50M.

I have 22 so I decide to limp behind mid-latish position

Everyone behind folds except the BB and the flop comes T26, two spades. Everyone checked to me; I bet a little under half pot, a mistake that the nerves caused me. Everyone folded except the spastic player who looked rather agitated. The turn was a non-spaded 4. It was checked to me; because of his agitation I decided to bet a lot more since I thought he would call, I went a little over 1/2 pot, another mistake, I didn't want to go more since I thought that it would look suspicious. He showed his hand to the person that was sitting next to him who said something like, "don't chase that, fold" He decided to call and a 3 came on the river. After some bizarre laugh he decided to go all-in. He done something similar last week; I raised preflop, he called by mistake and had a hysterical laugh followed by a all-in, probably about 2-3 times the pot; turns out he hit a straight draw. This was in the back of my mind that perhaps he has nothing, the player to the left of me was saying he knew what he had. I started counting how much was in the pot, I was getting 2:1 on my money, he was a little agitated and showed me one of his cards, which was a 4. I thought because of that he has two-pair or something and because of the pot odds I had to call.

Turns out he had 45 and hit a straight. An hour or so later I realised that I fallen right into his trap: he showed a 4 to induce a call. Hopefully all this makes sense and if not ask away! Was this a fold or call?

EDIT: changed bet sizes
 
Last edited:
blueskies

blueskies

Legend
Loyaler
Joined
Jan 31, 2009
Total posts
3,643
Awards
9
Chips
304
bet big withn a flush draw on flop against chaser.

i would fold the river. he pretty much gave away his hand
 
TPC

TPC

Legend
Silver Level
Joined
Nov 5, 2008
Total posts
3,766
Chips
0
Bet more on the flop. You're in a multi way pot with bottom set. You said the spastic player chases all the time. I would have jammed the Turn. Make your bet sizes bigger!!!
 
T

The_Pup

Rock Star
Silver Level
Joined
Oct 27, 2009
Total posts
254
Chips
0
Fold. Obviously you've got an idiot chasing the straight or flush and one of the possible completion cards comes down. You've put about 8 or 10 big blinds in and have 65BB left and are still in a very strong position. You've made them pay to see a draw card, don't pay them when it hits.

With a more sofisticated player I'd think a bit more about calling, and then fold.
 
J

jmill

Rock Star
Silver Level
Joined
Jun 22, 2010
Total posts
165
Chips
0
First off i think you should have raised the hand to get an idea of how strong your hand was. A c-bet on the flop, which you did, but not enough and another strong bet on the turn. If all of this happened, then you played correctly and a donkey sucked out on you, it happens. Although i have to wonder, i thought that in a tourney setting that players couldn't show their cards to plaeyers still in the hand or before all hands were folded? Someone correct me if i'm wrong.
 
xdeucesx

xdeucesx

Bar Master
Silver Level
Joined
Aug 7, 2010
Total posts
7,139
Awards
3
Chips
21
I would of probably bet the turn more, make him pay unfavorable odds to draw
 
T

The_Pup

Rock Star
Silver Level
Joined
Oct 27, 2009
Total posts
254
Chips
0
... Although i have to wonder, i thought that in a tourney setting that players couldn't show their cards to plaeyers still in the hand or before all hands were folded? Someone correct me if i'm wrong.

There aren't usually any restrictions on showing cards other than 'show one, show all'; ie if you show one person you should show the whole table. Showing that 4 on the river is bad etiquette in my book - you sometimes see it in pro games but they always ask first (usually doesn't get past the asking stage though).

There is a problem with the villain showing their neighbour (presumably another player) their hand on the turn. Not only is the hero now playing the combined wisdom of two players but the second player knows two cards that won't show on the river (their hole cards) and could be offering advice with this in mind. In a proper tourney (ie probably not this donkfest) we'd be calling the tourney director over for a chat.

I hate any of this casual play, even in friendly home games. In a local tourney I once had a friend on the rail take a peak at my cards as I looked at them when it was my turn to act preflop. 'Fold!' he roared with a great laugh. When I then reraised all in it must have been obvious to the rest of the table that I had a premium, I did, QQ. It was, of course, partly my fault for not protecting my cards enough but very irritating none the less.

Never, ever let anyone else see your cards during a hand.
 
P

pat3392

Visionary
Silver Level
Joined
Jan 19, 2010
Total posts
565
Chips
0
I don't think I made it clear enough; he actually showed me the 4 on the river before I had made my decision
 
Top