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No matter what I play in pockets I seem to lose aa kk aa kk whatever it doesn't matter how I play em. But on the light side I did get four of a kind aces twice and no action for when I should have gotten an allin....geesh
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Its how you play them.

AA is a lock and will win a lot of games... most hands lucky to get top pair... so you beat those. A lot of premium hands have an ace AK... AJ so forth. Lower tier ones are beat KQ, QJ... you have an 75% on all pairs. When I lose its flush or straight or low pair hits a trip most common way to lose.

This hand you want action but only 2 or 3 way... as good as it is so you bet accordingly.

If you ever play quads... obviously AA you bet strong its 2-3 way... you flop AA with AA... so a continue bet would scare most people expecting a pre-flop bet to have an A with an AA board. If you checked or called pre-flop they might not expect it but I feel those are bad strategies pre-flop on 80% of AA pre-flop. So a check on flop and weak turn bet that looks like your stealing pot is optimal... your hoping you get check and playing an agressive player who goes over top bluffs and let them dig their grave, ideally but some players are conservative and will be hard to get.

Now KK is trickiest top pair... a lot of times... short stacks go allin A 2-9 Kicker, A10-Q played or called regularly and AK and AA are bet agressively. Virtually everyone looking to play Aces only elite players backoff. So if you play them like Aces you got to be patient.

I bet them almost like Aces bet little less knowing a flopped A and Im done, also a strong re-raise from guy that is conservative might warn... Ace alert! So I bet enough to scare garbage flush/straight draw hands. I expect AJ or A7 to call me especially short stack... with short stacks I bet 50% of stack to force action... their desperate and a J10 allin is common. But most play their Ace. An A flop slows me down... I bet small or check... basically concede pot usually unless its player that is maniac or something. If A misses it happens a lot I laydown the hammer bet double pot or 50% of the stack of player. Don't like allin cause it looks like a donk bluff... I also consider straight and flush draws... bet 15% 20% or higher to see turn then lay down hammer allins are more appropriate if suit is missed or connecting straight card.

Well, as you can see playing pairs is an art. I played a tourney recently folded JJ... it was JJ vs semi-agressive player but figured KQ, JQ, A 2-9 folded... he had A9 flopped an Ace. I would of flopped an J and turn full house river... in normal tourney I play it. Knowing that A is out there. The JJ-KK trips is killer for A flops... my fav card combo to trap, he would of been dead meat. But knowing it was a satellite I milked and played more conservative than usual an got easy... fold for 45 min got a cash. Said guy think lost anyways.
 
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important thing is not to win always with AA or KK since none of them is unbeateble the important thing is that in the long run you take advantage of them playing accordingly

i remember one sunday i got 7 times KK in different mtts and lost the first 6 isolating the table so i your faced one player, but sometimes it was the A, sometimes a set, other a double pair or a flush i was thinking KK was equal to bad luck, then i got the seventh KK and i folded immediately, he he

no, don´t fold AA or KK no matter the situation because most of the time you will win and when lose just be patience about it
 
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i know how you feel , been getting them alot lately, ive manged to win a 50c 360p sit and go with pocket kk, but lost a $15 9 player sit &go with AA all in. It has alot to do with bankroll mangement, still learning i guess
 
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bad beats

Thanks for the advice I will try it but yeah I never fold AA KK or really any Pair over a 5. Sometimes I get lucky with lesser pairs if they hit they are deadly.I really never preflop raise as to not scare em off trying to get a pot going but it backfires on me alot. I usually just go allin as to not let them see a flop so they have to pay up if they want to see a flop ....lol:cool:
 
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Was just playing a double or nothing sit n go, 4 left 3 get paid. i have 2200 and someone with 1700 shoves all in. I have pocket kings so i call. he has QJ. Lol. Board runs out 2 4 7 QQ. Lol. I finished out of the money. Bad beats blow.
 
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I also had some moment when i lose with this hands more than 50% of the time, but that is poker sir, just you should try to avoid the tilt after this bad beat situations and if you feel you are unlucky just take a break and start playing again when you are happyier and patient enough to win some money :)
 
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The math heavily favours you vs smaller pairs and vs any 2 cards heads up you will be a big winner with both hands its an inevitable outcome.

Extracting max value and getting the right amount pre flop is an art. Sometimes you wont get the all ins other times all in will be the right decison and you will get the call.

This all comes with experience one day you will be able to perfect it with practice
 
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It seems that i will go for a while with the normal odds taking place, sets hold up for the most part like they should and get beat about as often as they should. But seems like suddenly after i take a payout, my bad beats just start and continue rolling in. Runner runner and rivered out constantly happen. is this just something that happens in poker or is this more prevalent with online poker, specifically Bovada?
 
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I have been coming up against hands like

Hero; AKs
Villain AA

Flop; A 7 2 rainbow. (so hard to get away from)

Other times its

Hero: KK
Villain: Shoves AK.
Hero: calls

Flops is A J 3

And then a mix of those two hands
Hero AKo
Villain KK
Flop K A 4 .


Its been a weird week

But before this

Villain 1 Sb; j9c
Hero in the bb ; 66
Villain donk 2; 28h
Villain 3 ; KK

Villain 3 raises 3 bet when blinds are 100/200 making it 600.
Sb calls
Hero calls because its only 400 out of a 10k stack.
And Donk villain calls.

Flop: 2d Jh 6c (something for everyone ;) )
SB bets pot.
Hero hollywoods and flats.
Donk villain calls with 28h
Unlucky Villain 3 shoves
Sb calls
Hero calls
Donk villain calls

Next card 7h Ac

Hero playtheman takes out 3 players in the second hand and sits with 40k stack.
 
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to the OP: we all lose with AA and KK sometimes. The question is what have you learned in the process?

Learn to recognize when your AA or KK is ahead and extract max value, learn to recognize when it is most likely beat (you don't have to be 100% positive you're beat to make a good laydown with AA or KK).

Learn to recognize those players who get married to their AA or KK and try to flop sets against them.

Try to become the players that have been beating you, try to learn from times you've underplayed and overplayed your hands.

I almost layed down KK preflop a few weeks ago...ALMOST. I've never done it before. I've layed downQQ yes, AK and JJ lots but never KK. After his 4 bet all in, I tanked, I got the clock called on me and I finally called because nearly half my stack was already in the pot....but I just knew he had AA.....

well....he turned over AA and I was out...shoulda listened to my gut and kept half my stack....especially since I would have still had 2/3 average stack...my point in telling that is you cannot get married to any hand...everything is so situation dependent. I'm not gonna start folding KK preflop on a regular basis, but there is definitely a time and place for folding KK and this was one of those spots because of who the player was and our stack sizes... There are even spots for folding AA preflop....though they are very rare and unusual and most of us will probably never encounter those spots..
 
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