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Ok first off I have no graph or printout becaue this was a live tournament last night that im confused about.
I have roughly 68 k in chips,villian in question has roughly 21 k in chips.
Blinds are 200 and 400, I am in the big blind and look down at a weak queen four suited.
Most players at table seem pretty conservative except for two players.
There was six callers in in hand so pot was 2400 in an unopened pot, so I figured for a bet of 1800 . I raised my big blind to 1800,and everyone folds to seat 4 and they call . I am seat 7.
He just called no raise mind you.
Flop come rainbowed 2/5/6,leaving me a weak gutshot from the bigblind that I opened the pot with and was flatted by one caller.
He checked flop and I made an aggressive shove all in. me 61 k in chips,them 21 k in chips ....
They did not even think of position or any possibility that I flopped set or straight from big blind and snap called with pocket tens,
They obviously won the hand because my over or my gutshot did not fall on last two cards,but I still had plenty of chips to finish even after that hand.
The reason for posting this is because of the belittling I got from him after the hand about how horrible it was to raise junk.
When I raised I wasnt even thinking of the cards preflop but more of position and image of the people at the table.
The raise was more of a feeler raise than anything.
Anyway let me know what you all think of this hand.
 
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You know you should really try to post your hands in a more easy to read format.
Google "poker hand converter" and look in the tournament hand analysis subforum and you will get the general idea.

Now for Q4s I would fold preflop. Will save you chips in the long run.
Quick push on the turn can mean a lot of things.
In general the stronger you try to portrait your hand the weaker you normaly are.
 
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I dont quite understand actually... Why do you shove at that flop? Just to push him out to get the pot?
 
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I dont quite understand actually... Why do you shove at that flop? Just to push him out to get the pot?
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yes just to get the pot .

And first poster I would fold q 4 as well but was in big blind with six callers and unopened pot.
 
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once again this is not 1989. players call today with any sniff of a flop or a pp. seeing as though he started in on you for raising with junk im guessing he was not all that much of a player. save your bluffs for the better players who will at least consider what your holdings might be. this being said i dont know if i much care for the way you played the hand,especially since you could have got the same info for much less of a loss after the flop
 
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once again this is not 1989. players call today with any sniff of a flop or a pp. seeing as though he started in on you for raising with junk im guessing he was not all that much of a player. save your bluffs for the better players who will at least consider what your holdings might be. this being said i dont know if i much care for the way you played the hand,especially since you could have got the same info for much less of a loss after the flop
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Yes I agree and thank you.
I am not real happy wth the way I played this hand myself.
I ould went about it a ompletly differnt way and saved myself a third of my stack,but I didn't.
 
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if you are going for a naked steal from the blinds, your preflop raise needs to probably be bigger.

you say this was a positional raise, yet you have the worst position at the table.

Not many people fold preflop in live tournaments, with 6 callers, your likely to get someone to call you, making a big pot for yourself when you are oop. its like playing blackjack against the house from the blinds, do you really want to bet big when the deck is cold?

also, if i'm reading this correctly, it looks like you put him all in, for his remaining 19k or whatever, for a pot of4kish, it's a huge risk, he did call your bigish raise preflop, he has to have something. you can make it much cheaper by going bet/bet or something.

the other guy played this hand really badly too.

this all stems from the preflop decision. if we just check here and see a free flop, we can keep that pot much smaller. tighten up that preflop game, and you wont force yourself into guessing games postflop for big pots.
 
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the problem is that the guy had an over pair to the flop and your all-in looks to MANY PEOPLE like AK so it might have lloked like your trying to get him off the hand(which you were) . better idea would be to make a min bet on the flop hoping an ace comes off on the turn so that you could represent it or also check back in order to catch your gutshot or a queen. wasnt played too well but i dont think the play was horrible either. you just happend to fall into an over pair and a fearless player.
 
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WiZZiM said:
also, if i'm reading this correctly, it looks like you put him all in, for his remaining 19k or whatever, for a pot of4kish...
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This. What part of hero's value range does he shove this flop with? You're repping sweet FA because you wouldn't (shouldn't) shove here with any decent hand. Risking 19k to win 4k is also bad.
 
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left52side said:
He checked flop and I made an aggressive shove all in. me 61 k in chips,them 21 k in chips ....
They did not even think of position or any possibility that I flopped set or straight from big blind and snap called with pocket tens,
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i would have chosen a pot bet here....looks stronger then an all in bet (because all in bets look suspicious and are frequently suspected of being bluffs ; most ppl reasons the smaller bet is more likely to be a suck bet than a bluff and give them more respect than to all in bets.)...it would be enough for them to fold the hands they would fold to an all in bet, and you would save like 14k if they have a hand
 
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left52side said:
They did not even think of position or any possibility that I flopped set or straight from big blind and snap called with pocket tens,
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would you shove a set or a straight here often?
 
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left52side said:
Ok first off I have no graph or printout becaue this was a live tournament last night that im confused about.
I have roughly 68 k in chips,villian in question has roughly 21 k in chips.
Blinds are 200 and 400, I am in the big blind and look down at a weak queen four suited.
Most players at table seem pretty conservative except for two players.
There was six callers in in hand so pot was 2400 in an unopened pot, so I figured for a bet of 1800 . I raised my big blind to 1800,and everyone folds to seat 4 and they call . I am seat 7.
He just called no raise mind you.
Flop come rainbowed 2/5/6,leaving me a weak gutshot from the bigblind that I opened the pot with and was flatted by one caller.
He checked flop and I made an aggressive shove all in. me 61 k in chips,them 21 k in chips ....
They did not even think of position or any possibility that I flopped set or straight from big blind and snap called with pocket tens,
They obviously won the hand because my over or my gutshot did not fall on last two cards,but I still had plenty of chips to finish even after that hand.
The reason for posting this is because of the belittling I got from him after the hand about how horrible it was to raise junk.
When I raised I wasnt even thinking of the cards preflop but more of position and image of the people at the table.
The raise was more of a feeler raise than anything.
Anyway let me know what you all think of this hand.
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How did he check to you on the flop if you were in the BB 3 seats away? That means he was CO. So you would be OOP not him.

Onto the hand itself, I wouldve checked pre in a heartbeat and folded to the 1st sign of action postflop but thats just the way I do things. Might be wrong I dunno. But since you raised and went to flop (which if I were to raise I wouldve made it around 4k with 6 behind), on the flop I wouldve checked as well lol. All around I like x/f'ing that entire hand all the way through.
 
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left52side said:
yes just to get the pot .

And first poster I would fold q 4 as well but was in big blind with six callers and unopened pot.
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6 callers ahead of me would make me think my Q4s is a huge underdog. People are known to limp monsters sure, but without that, theres still strong possibilities of tons of hands that crush us!
 
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A spew.

If you get 6 limpers on your bb and you hold rags, I'd just be thankful to see a free flop. Be patient. Tryin to make a move vs 6 plyrs will never be profitable. An easy fold (or x/f) turned into a +20k spew. Imo obv.
 
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