To "allin".... or not ???

nc_royals

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Im thinking twice about this All-in Move.

Ive been playing alot of cheap 45 person SnG's ($1.10 & $3.25)

I realize blinds increase rather quickly and it becomes alot of push/fold decisions even at times just to steal blinds and punish limpers.

However, lets say you have 10 to 15 BB and get AK in early position. Usually this is an easy push but it seems like in these cheap buy-ins you get called with so much. For example the other night same the situation and I get called with A6 offsuit and he hits the 6 on the river. But what if i just do a standard raise, then being first to act on the flop push allin irregardless of the cards. This might make the villian think that you caught the flop and apt to fold.

Shouldnt make a difference if the villian caught the flop... because you were playing this hand to the end no matter what.

What do you think..... Bad Idea or something to consider?
 
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...so you want to have villain see a flop with a hand like A6, miss, then fold to our shove with the worst hand rather than call AIPF with the worst hand?
 
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Personally, I'd go for the cold shove. Him calling with A6 is what you want to see every time. By going with a standard raise then shoving irregardless of the board, you are going to be putting yourslf in a losing spot more times than not. Either shove up-front, or raise and be prepared to let it go. Shoving post flop with AK, esp if you don't connect, usually isn't a great idea as you'll be called by any strong pair or draw and will probably have some catching up to do. If the A or K come, then you're gold, but it will miss more times than not. I'd just shove.
 
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...so you want to have villain see a flop with a hand like A6, miss, then fold to our shove with the worst hand rather than call AIPF with the worst hand?


Yeah I'm with chuck here.

Think about this in math terms. Statistically AK will beat A6 over time if put against it AIPF, the majority of the time.

Lets say you do let them see the flop every single time instead of getting it in ahead statistically. First of all you are out of position. So a donk bet or check raise is the only way to show you hit...pretty risky imo with your stack. There is just so much more to do to try and NOT lose than to trust math and the majority and shove.

so shove. :)
 
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I guess Ive just hit a bad run when seems like Im getting sucked out on by the lesser hand on the turn or river. I probably know the answer to my queston before I asked it. Better to shove and let the chips fall where they may.... Just on a frustrating streak at the time and reaching for straws.
 
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yea i know the feeling, and as everybody has told me numerous times, just try and not be to results oriented. I believe you made the right move, just unfortunate, happens time to time, just don't change the way you would play a hand based on results from previous hands.
 
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Im thinking twice about this All-in Move.

Ive been playing alot of cheap 45 person SnG's ($1.10 & $3.25)

I realize blinds increase rather quickly and it becomes alot of push/fold decisions even at times just to steal blinds and punish limpers.

However, lets say you have 10 to 15 BB and get AK in early position. Usually this is an easy push but it seems like in these cheap buy-ins you get called with so much. For example the other night same the situation and I get called with A6 offsuit and he hits the 6 on the river. But what if i just do a standard raise, then being first to act on the flop push allin irregardless of the cards. This might make the villian think that you caught the flop and apt to fold.

Shouldnt make a difference if the villian caught the flop... because you were playing this hand to the end no matter what.

What do you think..... Bad Idea or something to consider?

Think about what I've bolded from what you've written, and figure out what's wrong with it. Then come back to the thread when you're ready.
 
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I agree, push your AK and in the long run getting called by donkeys is a good thing.

That said, there is a move called a "go 'n' go", similar to a stop 'n' go, where you put in a raise planning to shove the flop regardless. This can be useful in situations where you have very little fold equity pre flop, but think you might be able to get better hands to fold on the flop even if you miss. Obviously you need enough chips to be able to put in a decent bet on the flop, no one is folding if you can only shove 1/3 pot.

Not sure this is the place to use it, but something to think about.
 
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If the BB was big and you were SS with your 10-15 bbs, push everytime, just unlucky and the last thing you wanna do is start to give people the flop for free/cheap.
 
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Yea shoving AK is much better than letting the flop be seen, In the long run (and i mean hundreds of thousands of hands) AK will win. varience is what we deal with in the poker world. You make th correct play enough times, it will eventually come back and pay you off :D
 
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