All In suicide or strategy success rates?

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In MTT's, its inevitable that you will have to survive some all ins. Especially if you have fallen way behind early and have to try to mount a comeback.

Obviously, its no badge of honor to put all your chips at risk unless you have to....or is it?, if you are able to successfully use it as a strategy to build a large stack. :confused:

I am also curious if anyone knows or keeps stats that track their all in's in MTT's?

Their all in success rates? (Comeback or Strategic?)

And, if they know how many all in's they may have survived in one tourney?
 
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this is one thing i have not thought about to look at as far as workin on my game goes. i cant wait to hear some of the feedback from the more experienced players on here in regards to this. i personally feel it can b profitable if u notice a person has a tendency to fold to a big reraise or has a wide range of opening hands in position. i feel the most effective place to use this may b on a player w/ a wide range on the button and aj or up in the sb w/ less than maybe 15 big blinds.... or i could b dead wrong on this also lol feedback please
 
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(This may not be answering your question...I just reread it.)

It would depend. If I've fallen behind during the early levels of an MTT, I'm not in a rush to start shoving and hoping to catch-up unless I'm really short on BBs. Lets say its a 1500 starting stack, blinds at 10/20 and I lose half my stack. I still have 37.5BBs left, so I'm not desperate to start shoving and trying to double up just yet. However, I know that when blinds go up again, Ill be chopped down to ~18BBs and I may have to include shoving as a strategy. Not necessarily to just double but to survive the next level of blinds that are coming up.

Early on, I don't see shoving as a necessary strategy because the risk isn't worth the reward. If I shove, I either: A)Double up, but have a long way to go still so even I have more chips now it hasn't affected the outcome of the game significantly. or B) I bust out. Too much risk, not enough reward. However, I'm not saying that I wont shove during the early stages, it all depends. If I'm holding AA in BB and I'm looking at 3-4 bets before me, I'm getting my money. Usually when I am shoving in early stages, it's post flop more and a lot less preflop.

However, as the tournament continues/blinds go up/BBs decrease, then shoving becomes a more necessary tool. For me, If I'm over 50BBs, I'm sitting good. I don't have to worry about PF shoving anytime soon, but once it gets down -50BBs, then its time to start considering. Not saying I'll just start shoving now, but I'm aware that if I am not picking up chips, the amount of BBs I have will decrease very quickly. Lets say I have a stack of 1000 and blinds are at 10/20, I have 50BBs. But as soon as blinds increase to 15/30 (assuming I still have 1000 chip stack), my BB drops to 33. That's ~66% decrease in BBs. At 20/40, my BBs has dropped to 25. Which is why, they say to increase your raising range as blinds go up so you wont be put into this situation. I may not shove a lot sitting on 33BBs, but I might raise more and be more prepared to 3-4 bet shove with that size stack if I need to.
 
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I have seen this used very well in freerolls, but in mtt's it will not work, u have to play everyhand diffrent and make a good decision on every hand u play, using the all in as ur only move and a strategy will kill ur bankroll and get u seriously sick, one day it works and three weeks it will not. It is all situational and just one strategy will kill u. You have to be fluid and ready to make the correct decision in every hand u see.
 
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If you’ve fallen under 10BB, then shove. But open shove in late position, don’t call unless you have QQ-AA, AQ, AK. Don’t shove with A2-A10 unless at least CO or BTN cuz you could easily be dominated by the hand that calls. You’re gonna have to survive a showdown, as someone said, and how often do you really get the premium starting hands? So shove before your stack is so low that even doubling still leaves you in deep trouble.

The other day I got smacked on a 4 outter on the river which took more than half my stack and I was left with 700 chips. I ended up waiting and going all in from BB against the SB who raised me all in. I had 67 suited and would only have less than 3BBs left if I folded, so I called it and won against KJ.



I was still in trouble after that. Thank god a big stacker tried to steal with 58 offsuit, and I doubled up with QQ from BB. Ended up lasting two more hours and finishing 6th.
 
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