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Hey guys here it goes i was in a live tourney and i got a pair of 10s im on UTG blinds are 25 50 just started the tourney 3 minutes in the game starting chips (10.000) i raise 500 chips and MP+1 calls :
FLOP : :9c4: :8s4: :7h4:
he raises 1500 chips i call ::5d4: on the turn he goes all in what do you do?
I called and i won he had a pair of :4s4: :4c4: but was that a good call?
 
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its not the worst call ive ever seen but its not the best call either. your opponent must of been a total maniac since your saying this hand took place right at the start of the tourney. your lucky you won but usually these boards are very draw friendly so he could of had a hand like 10-j or a higher pocket pair.

not the best call but great result to double up early.
 
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If you want truly objective advice then don't tell us what he had.

Raise flop against his overbet. As played the turn call is fine.
 
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Ya i also forget to say i checked and then he raised me 1500 chips so i think that was a bad move to.Thanks for the info buddy.
 
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Luco thanks for the advice im new in the chat and i didnt know.
 
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Luco thanks for the advice im new in the chat and i didnt know.

That's ok, just remember the villain will play this way with many different hands, so in general it's a good idea to keep his actual hand secret when you want feedback on how you've played :)
 
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Don't raise 10x pre..readless espically and it's first hand.

Why did you do this?

I don't understand the action "he raises 1500 chips?" Wasnt you first to act on the flop?


Now; on the flop; you're both like 180 blinds deep? He jams 100+blinds first hand of the tournament on the turn on a very wet board which likely - even if readless is going to hit his range more than yours and a pair of TT is likely never good in this spot.

His play was very bad, but imo..calling is worse.

I don't like the call, you deffo don't want to be picking off bluffs or trying to call with an over pair when we're 200 blinds deep and stacking off on a very wet board with an over pair when chances are he has at least turn pairs/sets/straights in this spot.

Also results are irrelevant, him showing a pair of 4'4s in this spot doesn't make the call correct.
 
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I checked and that was a bad move thats why he probably went all in ,he thought i hade nothing and tried to steel the pot and when he went all in i figured from hes play he had AK and after that flop he wanted to make me fold,it was a house game with 25 people,i was just lucky that he tried to bluff me on the first hand.
thanks ramdeebam
p.s i came in at 4 place and first 3 got paid .(Unlucky)
 
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I checked and that was a bad move thats why he probably went all in ,he thought i hade nothing and tried to steel the pot and when he went all in i figured from hes play he had AK and after that flop he wanted to make me fold,it was a house game with 25 people,i was just lucky that he tried to bluff me on the first hand.
thanks ramdeebam
p.s i came in at 4 place and first 3 got paid .(Unlucky)


Ok fair enough even checking back is bad, but even if he 3bet jammed your bet, you should be folding.

The only issue here with the hand is that 200bb deep first you can only ever beat a bluff and theres no reason to think he's doing this with A,K. If you have experience with the player and it being a home game you might well do, and he plays so stupid then it might be a call although not a big fan :p


gg ul on no cash.
 
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Ram, the villain flatted a 10x pre then he overbet the flop when checked to. He's an idiot so you see random TP, Pair + draw, Draw+overs, or even garbage type hands often enough to raise this flop and GII imo. You're not just bluff catching, you're ahead of a fair bit. I like stacking here but c/c flop c/c turn is not how I'd do it.

But yeah, 10x pre is way too big and checking the flop is a big mistake.
 
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yes that was a huge mistake for that check,i know i will learn alot more from you guys !THANKS :)
 
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Personally to me,and jmho like you stated it was certainly early in the tournament.
If it was to early to get a range on villians starting or opening hands then maybe would have thought about the call.
Lots of tournament players like myself like to see alot of flops early stages of a tournament so opening ranges can span greatly.
I dont nessisarily mind the call because of your out possibilities,but might have though for a minute that maybe you were going against a made hand.
I myself posted a thread on pocket tens not long ago, give it a read and let me know what you think .
 
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Well well well actually I dont think it is a very good call... Your TT can be defeated by many hands (including JJ+, two pair) and the probablity to improve is actually low on the river. But it is not bad, cuz the probablity for him to have a 6 is not high..
 
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But if it is me, i will not risk my tourney's life on this. It is just the beginning and I have a lot of chances...
 
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About the only hands that he could have had were pair of sixs, or trips. I think you made a good read apparently!
 
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It was a 1 time rebuy actually and that even made it easyer for me to call that all in.i though alot about a JJ or a higher pair but the way he played was so weird that i though to my self hes bluffing so that why i called.dont get the wrong side my check was a worser play.
Bad calll but lucky:)
 
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it depends on your reads!
it is pretty marginal call here!
 
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getting 200 bb in with a pair of 10s is usually terrible , but then again if 10x pre is standard in this game , then we would have a pot of 180bb on the river if we bet pot flop, turn .. so getting it in might not be so bad afterall against these opponents. (assuming they are spewy , like the guy with AK)
 
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I ran into almost the same position with you today!!!! I called with a pocket pair 10s and find he has pocket pair 6s... He beat me with straight...
 
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unlucky!! i ran into them again folded lol
 
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I think that most times if you call in that situation, you lose. Sometimes, players will even shove with just 2 pair on a flop like that to discourage anyone with a straight draw from calling. At any rate, after the turn, he was representing a "6" and unless you knew your opponent's betting habits, a fold was probably in order. Poker is poker though, and ya never know...in this case you lucked out. Guess you used up all your luck on that hand though, and finished on the bubble. :(
 
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This is pretty much a "Hmm... wtf??!" hand to me. Villain is obviously a HUGE drooler. Why does he want us to fold sooooo badly? Umm.... I callzz.
 
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i would have folded there i think, but for you was a great win, how did you end up in the tourney?
 
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I love all in on the tourment for giving the pressure to the competitor.Sometime they will make the wrong decision.
 
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