All-in with 4BB in early position

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Hi All,

I'm new to this site and poker in general having been playing for around 10-11 months. I want to know whether someone can help me establish whether I made the currect play because I feel rotten lol.

Here goes...

I'm playing in a £50+£8 live freeze out tourney.

There are 47 participants and prize pool is £2450, winner gets £875, 5th gets £160.

Blinds and Ante are 1200/2400/200

I've been folding for at least 45 waiting for a decent pair 99+ or AQo+ and the blinds and antes are going up every 20 min.

I had 4BB and I raise all-in from EP with JJ on a full ring table, it's folds to C/O and he calls with 66 (he had around 12-15BB) everyone else folds.

Flop comes:

754 rainbow

Turn:

Q

River:

3

Giving him the nuts 7-3 straight.

I busted at 18.

Is there possibly anything I could have done to make this spot more favourable? Or when this situation presents itself in the future.

In addition, for the 4 hours I was playing, I only had AK, 44, 44, 99, 44, JJ and some off suited connectors.

I'm planning to play in the SuperStack and WPTN in London at the end of July.

Any constructive advice/criticism would be much appreciated. Thanks.
 
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Be looking for spots to open shove much sooner & you don't need to wait for 99+ or anywhere even close to that.

Also look to make resteals...
With a 15-22bb stack, look for spots to shove allin over a later position 'loose aggressive' player who is opening often & you feel is trying to pick up the blinds.
 
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With 4BB, easy shove without thinking.

Just bad luck he got his draw on the river.
 
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You played well this hand. At 4BB lesf you have to go all in with JJ.
As Poker Orifice sad you don`t need to wait as long you got only 4BB in front of you!With 10BB you can try to steel blind with A5s+ A9o+ K8s+ KTo+ Q9s+ QTo+ J9s+ 22+ in case of call or rise you shoul shove.
 
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Like PO said, try not to let yourself dwindle down to that low by making a move sooner, but you did all you could with the JJ and got unlucky. Good luck in your future games!
 
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Yeah it's a bummer to bust out when you had him Dommed like that... I get into that situation too but had you won the pot you would have bought yourself a little more time and still have been short stacked...

I was in a $75 buy in recently and I just blinded out eventually... I played my good hands well but never got enough of them...

Those guys are right about taking steps to avoid getting so low in chips... I know this cos it is something I need to learn myself too !

I'm seeing now that Poker is not just about playing well when you get the cards, You gotta play even better when you haven't or you'll wither away...
 
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This hand was played perfectly. You absolutely had to open shove w JJ in that position with only 4BBs left. The only thing I can say you didn't do well is that you tightened up a bit too early. If you have anywhere from 10-20 blinds you can still open in early position, but more likely late position with some of the hands you had (44,99,JJ). You should have been also looking at your opponents and moves to make in isolation against some other tight players. You are going to have to scrap those little pots here and there and steal a few blinds to keep your stack above 10-15 blinds. Most professionals say that you should open shove when you are as low as 8-10 BBs.. so 4 BBs is really late, even tho I dont agree, you can probably wait until you have 5BBs, but you are getting really low there too. Even really really late in large MTTs ( 5000+ players) you can wait til you have 3BBs, but again thats not suggested. As far as your hand goes you couldnt do anything about it, thats just bad luck, and the 4s were probably just hoping for a race, considering you only had 4BBs left. When you are that low people arent going to be able to put you on anything large or give you any respect because they understand you have to open shove with anything nice (large suited connectors or even low PPs) Just keep in mind that when you have chips in a tournament you have to make some moves, raising when you feel some people are weak and taking advantage of tighter players and utilizing your position so you dont find yourself in that same predicament again. Thats the best advice i can give. Good luck you seem to play well, but loosen your style a little bit when you have chips and get in some small hands when you can try to take some chips.
 
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Shouldn't really be folding for 45 (minutes or hands, not sure which one you mean but either) with less than 15bbs. Find a decent spot with a hand. Way to tight to leave yourself just 99+ and AQ+ to open.
 
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Thanks for the advice guys! Really leant really useful information I.e. Not leaving it that late to shove and steal blinds earlier loosing up shoving range.
 
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I'll use these to hopefully improve my game and eventually become pro
 
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Dont wait until you only have 4bb, because even if you double up you will only have 8bb.. Widen your shoving range when short stacked and be prepared to gamble with marginal hands.
 
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Easily the right move. Don't beat yourself up about it. With 4BB left, I'd shove with any pair or AK and AQ type of hands.
 
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Right move at the right time, but I'm open shoving late with a lot of hands well before I'm down to 4BB. Good luck!!
 
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Yeah man seems fine.

It might vary from live play a bit but you can always brush up on the push/fold charts they have online. I'm not sure I can link a specific site in here but just do a quick search and you'll find a couple prominent ones.

Unlucky with the JJ. = (

We'll get them next time!
 
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no there is nothing you can do there.just unlucky
try not to have 4bb..you should shove earlier
when you dont get premium starting hands,try to steal the blinds in position
with less than 10bb shove suited connectors in cutoff or int he button
 
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what a bad luck,

the only thing i can say is that you should shove earlier
 
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Hi All,

I'm new to this site and poker in general having been playing for around 10-11 months. I want to know whether someone can help me establish whether I made the currect play because I feel rotten lol.

Here goes...

I'm playing in a £50+£8 live freeze out tourney.

There are 47 participants and prize pool is £2450, winner gets £875, 5th gets £160.

Blinds and Ante are 1200/2400/200

I've been folding for at least 45 waiting for a decent pair 99+ or AQo+ and the blinds and antes are going up every 20 min.

I had 4BB and I raise all-in from EP with JJ on a full ring table, it's folds to C/O and he calls with 66 (he had around 12-15BB) everyone else folds.

Flop comes:

754 rainbow

Turn:

Q

River:

3

Giving him the nuts 7-3 straight.

I busted at 18.

Is there possibly anything I could have done to make this spot more favourable? Or when this situation presents itself in the future.

In addition, for the 4 hours I was playing, I only had AK, 44, 44, 99, 44, JJ and some off suited connectors.

I'm planning to play in the SuperStack and WPTN in London at the end of July.

Any constructive advice/criticism would be much appreciated. Thanks.

You cant let yourself get down to 4 bbs in an mtt, because you have absolutely no fold equity when you get that short. You need to widen your range and steal blinds and antes in position with lighter hands when you have 10 bbs or less.
 
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Don't try to analize this, you maid the right call.
That's poker ..
 
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I think his move was correct. With few BB with a couple high off is quietly recommended his movement and to the river you were in front.

It was just a moment of luck on your opponent. I do not believe we can talk about bad beat here because of flop, you just leave your opponent with a good amount of outs to arise.
 
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You can't do anything else with only 4bb left.
 
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Yeah I'd look to be getting it in fairly light with less than ten bigs. Any suited ace, A8o+, K8s+, KT+, Broadway, any pairs and even some suited connectors like T9 are good enough for me with less than 10BB.
 
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Yeah you pretty much cant do anything else with just 4'BB's but shove

But like others have also pointed out you need to widen your range at some point and not get down to 4'BB's

But est of look in the future :)
 
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Try not to have 4bb, and also you have to exploit your tight image and not only play hands like 99+ or aq+. I mean if you are folding hands for like 45 minutes, then blinds and antes are going to eat your stack eventually ,so when you are in a good position like dealer or cutoff you should have played a wider range of hands specially if all the players at the table folded their hands. Hands like k10, kj,qk,a10 and aj are very good hands to play in these positions so you need to loosen up your game when you have a short stack and take more chances before having only 4bb left.
 
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Try not to have 4bb, and also you have to exploit your tight image and not only play hands like 99+ or aq+. I mean if you are folding hands for like 45 minutes, then blinds and antes are going to eat your stack eventually ,so when you are in a good position like dealer or cutoff you should have played a wider range of hands specially if all the players at the table folded their hands. Hands like k10, kj,qk,a10 and aj are very good hands to play in these positions so you need to loosen up your game when you have a short stack and take more chances before having only 4bb left. Better luck next time.
 
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