AK suited / 10bb's / 10 ppl b4 the cash

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2ofdakind

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I'm pretty sure I could have played this better but I got a lot
of flack from somebody about this play.. it seemed to set them off
and they weren't even involed. They went on to say "how can you not
shove there" fkin moron etc.. Anyways: utg had limped.. so being in middle position
i 3x'd with AKhrts. It folded to SB who called and was essentially pot committed. I
decided since I had him covered by 3000 chips chips I may as well
allin and hope he has some smaller ace and has to call down. He
called with 33 for his tournament life. It was kind of questionable
play on the sb's part there without hitting a set and havin only
the underpair.

Anyways can anyone please fill me in on what I should have done better
there? I was in mid pos so I didn't wanna risk a button 3bet so close
to the cash.. am I just too results oriented there with the cautious
AK play.. should I just be shipping it there on the money bubble
when I have roughtly 10 blinds?


pokerstars Game #52825845815: Tournament #340010073, $3.00+$0.30 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level X (300/600) - 2010/11/17 0:29:35 PT [2010/11/17 3:29:35 ET]
Table '340010073 2' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: TheBuddha13 (4320 in chips)
Seat 2: 2ofdakind (6386 in chips)
Seat 3: Minkus63 (7410 in chips)
Seat 4: trinket123 (40355 in chips)
Seat 5: reshan404 (23855 in chips)
Seat 6: zeeler (5135 in chips)
Seat 7: laurian012 (17294 in chips)
Seat 8: grad77 (3975 in chips)
Seat 9: Set o' Suns (8483 in chips)
TheBuddha13: posts the ante 50
2ofdakind: posts the ante 50
Minkus63: posts the ante 50
trinket123: posts the ante 50
reshan404: posts the ante 50
zeeler: posts the ante 50
laurian012: posts the ante 50
grad77: posts the ante 50
Set o' Suns: posts the ante 50
laurian012: posts small blind 300
grad77: posts big blind 600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to 2ofdakind [Ah Kh]
Set o' Suns: calls 600
TheBuddha13: folds
2ofdakind: raises 1200 to 1800
Minkus63: folds
trinket123: folds
reshan404: folds
zeeler: folds
laurian012: folds
grad77: calls 1200
Set o' Suns: folds
*** FLOP *** [8d 2h 5s]
grad77: checks
2ofdakind: bets 2400
grad77: calls 2125 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (275) returned to 2ofdakind
*** TURN *** [8d 2h 5s] [Qd]
*** RIVER *** [8d 2h 5s Qd] [Qs]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
grad77: shows [3c 3d] (two pair, Queens and Threes)
2ofdakind: shows [Ah Kh] (a pair of Queens)
grad77 collected 9200 from pot
 
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well, I wouldn't have done that. Since he was practically comitted to the pot, he would call with almost anything, so betting without be at least a high pair wouldn't such a good idea in my opinion
 
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With the ante, the blinds are 'effectively' 400/800 or thereabouts, so you have effectively less than 10bb's here, Either way just shove it all in preflop.
 
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This is a push preflop for sure..Its really bad to involve ur stack in this without pushing..Ofc many donks would still call you with 33 etc..But its a easy move to make really.
 
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Use M instead of BB when there are antes.

Easy shove pre.
 
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All this really pertains to the exact position we were at in the tournament. It was more along the lines of; should I fold AK and not get involved and simply make the cash. Or risk getting it in with AK and busting on the bubble? If we had made it into the $$ it would be a no brainer shove. Do most of you gamble there and try to get some more chips to get better chances of a deeper run or just hold off playing it? just wondering if im being too results oriented or if I should just go for it all day every day in that same spot... just trying to plug my midgame leaks.. thnx
 
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2ofdakind said:
All this really pertains to the exact position we were at in the tournament. It was more along the lines of; should I fold AK and not get involved and simply make the cash. Or risk getting it in with AK and busting on the bubble? If we had made it into the $$ it would be a no brainer shove. Do most of you gamble there and try to get some more chips to get better chances of a deeper run or just hold off playing it? just wondering if im being too results oriented or if I should just go for it all day every day in that same spot... just trying to plug my midgame leaks.. thnx
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The_Pup said:
So are you advising a fold, a shove, a min-raise or what?
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he's saying that your main goal should be to win the tournament even if you have to put yourself at risk near the bubble. so hes saying shove it in.
 
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mikejm said:
he's saying that your main goal should be to win the tournament even if you have to put yourself at risk near the bubble. so hes saying shove it in.
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In which case he is talking out of his hat. Trying to win is foolish - making +EV decisions is where it's at.

It's standard play that if you are going to play a hand with less than 10BB shove it all in, which is what OP should have done. The villain should have done the same. Given that they didn't and are looking at a dry flop then the hero's bet is fine.
 
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2ofdakind said:
All this really pertains to the exact position we were at in the tournament. It was more along the lines of; should I fold AK and not get involved and simply make the cash. Or risk getting it in with AK and busting on the bubble?/quote]

I am replying to this above post, which is why I quoted it.

The_Pup said:
In which case he is talking out of his hat. Trying to win is foolish - making +EV decisions is where it's at.

It's standard play that if you are going to play a hand with less than 10BB shove it all in, which is what OP should have done. The villain should have done the same. Given that they didn't and are looking at a dry flop then the hero's bet is fine.
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Of course you shove, I posted that two posts above mine. I was replying to the question of whether folding AK near the bubble instead of shoving is a good play.

Making +EV decisions leads to winning :)
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Pascal LeFiscal said:
2ofdakind said:
All this really pertains to the exact position we were at in the tournament. It was more along the lines of; should I fold AK and not get involved and simply make the cash. Or risk getting it in with AK and busting on the bubble?/quote]

I am replying to this above post, which is why I quoted it.



Of course you shove, I posted that two posts above mine. I was replying to the question of whether folding AK near the bubble instead of shoving is a good play.

Making +EV decisions leads to winning :)
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Sorry, I hadn't notice that you had already posted.

And thank you for being so gracious in your reply to my point and not getting all shirty, like some people might. Good on ya!
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it's an easy shove without even having to think about it...
 
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