AK in a three-way pot.

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This is a one dollar 50/50 tournament,and there are 6 players left.
MP goes all in w/1430
I call w/AKo, and I have about 3k in chips
everybody folds
BB insta-shoves w/3989.
It probably would have been better for the both of us if BB had just called.
But I have to decide whether to call or fold.
So what should I have done?
 
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call or fold. This was a crazy hand.
 
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Call. You should have shoved over instead of calling to begin with.
 
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Yeah, but it would have kind-of sucked to have won with 0 chips, since BB obviously has a monster hand.
All I had to do was knock out the last guy, and I win.
 
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i think i would call. but im not a very good player. so i think your suppose to fold. curious to what happened tho.
 
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I never put myself in this position because I'm the one usually pushing all in when a call takes more than a 3rd of my stack.
As played, I'm calling this
 
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Yeah, but it would have kind-of sucked to have won with 0 chips, since BB obviously has a monster hand.
All I had to do was knock out the last guy, and I win.
Just shove.
 
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LOL BB had KK
MP had AQ
I had AK
I would have had the final two aces covered if I had called. In the end it didn't matter though.The kings held up, and I still won. :)
good read, bad fold.
I get to keep some of my chips as a bonus though. :cool:
 
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Don't know about 50/50's do they have escalating payout or is it a flat payout structure like a true DoN format. If its a true DoN, calling is terrible IMO. Either overshove or fold. Calling just sets you up for exactly what happened. You get squeezed and are put to a decision.

You didn't mention what the rest of the stacks at the table were, but with 6 left/ 5 paid are there any short-stacks who will be forced into multi-way showdown for their tournament life soon? If yes, and assuming initial shover isn't the short stack, just fold. Sounds weird, but DoN's are a nits game and I'm uniquely qualified for that:eek: .

If the initial shover was the short-stack, then your play was correct and everyone else should have just called along and checked it down to likely eliminate the shorty. Standard DoN move.

So cliffs notes:
Shover is short stack- just call and entice rest of table to just call as they should.

Shover is NOT the short stack, but there are one or two shortys at the table - just fold.

Shover is NOT the short stack and there are no clear shortys at the table - shove.

All standard IMO.
 
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Agreed with Rudy, generally, if short stack has shoved then just call it to encourage the rest of the table to do the same and maximise the chances of him being eliminated. The only problem is that sometimes donks will be sitting at the table and will do stupid, unpredictable things - like shoving and threatening to make you the short stack or folding and making you go heads up against the short stack. The best way to avoid this is to take notes on the other players so by lategame you know what to expect.
 
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Like Rudy's explanation about DON.

What is the difference between a DON and a 50/50?

And how does this affects Rudy´s explanation?

Guess I would just have fold and let the other ones take each other out :D
 
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What is the difference between a DON and a 50/50?

And how does this affects Rudy´s explanation?

Not sure exactly. I've never played a single 50/50, but I've played 100s (1000s?) of true DoNs. I believe that some 50/50s still pay half the field, but 1st still wins more than 2nd, who wins more than 3rd, you get the idea. There is not a flat payout structure.

Not sure exactly how this would change strategy in total, but I can think of several things. As big stack work to actually protect short-stack and continue to bleed chips from mid-stacks who are afraid of bubbling, stuff like that. This all assumes that I'm correct about some (all?) 50/50s having an escalating payout structure. If anyone has a definitive answer, I'd like to hear it.
 
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Agreed with Rudy, generally, if short stack has shoved then just call it to encourage the rest of the table to do the same and maximise the chances of him being eliminated. The only problem is that sometimes donks will be sitting at the table and will do stupid, unpredictable things - like shoving and threatening to make you the short stack or folding and making you go heads up against the short stack. The best way to avoid this is to take notes on the other players so by lategame you know what to expect.

Yeah, you can always tell who's inexperienced at DoNs and the whole unspoken co-operative play thing. You'll definately see some "suspect" moves, especially at the lower buy-ins.
 
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In 50/50s you get your buyin back (less rake) and the rest of the prize pool is paid out according to stack size.

I'm re-shoving that AK all day. Unlucky to run into KK in the bb.
 
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