AJ suited vs AK offsuit....

What will u do here?


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spiderman637

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Guys, i was playing a game yesterday, reached final table among 300 players, 6 remaining....
I have 300k chips and am chip leader...
So one guy shoves his 200k chips tells everyone at tables that he has AJ suited{which he showed later}...
Now, i had AK off suited.... and was really going mad about wat to do:confused:

Wat would u guys do and why? Blinds where 15k/30k...

Pls put on ur valuable opinions mates...:tee:
 
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I choose call and then forgot to ask all of these lol, so my answer depends on the following:

1. Stacksizes of others for ICM

2. What was the Buy in?

3. How many shortstacks?
 
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If you call you have 100k left if he wins (3 outs, 5 streets to hit, provided you miss, roughly 30% of the time you'll lose this hand).

If you win you have 500k. You have 10 BBs. I think basic ICM (which I only hold a very basic graps of - would tell you the right move.

Being chip leader at a 300 player MTT down to final 6 is pretty good, and if you call and lose you are pretty much reduced to one all-in hand in less than premium position.

In this instance I would probably call - but I'm sure somebody more adept in tournament play's math could argue otherwise (should the math deem a fold) - but if you are chip leader among 6 with 300k, you're probably not going to be that bad off with 100k - and if you are chip leader among 5 with 500k when the bottom four have less than 300k, you're going to have a vice grip on finishing late.

I would call.

But I'm a lifetime cash game player trying to learn MTTs, so take it for what it's worth.
 
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I dont think we should take into account what he says his hand is. It doesnt really matter we are ahead of his range imo but if there are a few shortstacks and large pay jumps or even really bad players these are all things that need to be considered.

Again I would not even consider if he has AJs or not or try worrying about if he is telling the truth or not. FWIW i think majority of the tine somebody says this they will lying
 
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TD makes a solid point, you are only behind to AA and KK, and AKs has a very slight edge on you. You're flipping against QQ-22, essentially.

Knock him out and win take his chips.
 
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snap call

you have him completely dominated
 
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If you feel you are more skilled than your competition there is no reason to put yourself in a race. You should wait until you are in a position where you have more control over the outcome. If you feel you are being outskilled at this table then you should gamble with all of your premium hands to even out the skill level.
 
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I would pay, he could be strangled, and with a reasonable hand he would start up .. gl![/SIZE=3]
 
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any more info from the hand spiderman?
 
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Easy Fold

1. You don't have any idea what this guy really has in his hand. If he shows you his cards before the flop, go for it.

2. You've been playing great for 4-5 hours accumulating the clip lead.

3. You have not made your hand yet (as far as you know).

4. You can be behind to numerous hands. (22 to AA)

5. 55-45 is not a coin flip, which one would you prefer?

6. Can you imagine making the call and seeing AA, KK or any pair.

Making the final table with the chip lead is a fantastic accomplishment. Why give away 2/3 of your chips in one hand? I doubt you made it to the final table making coin flips. My 2 cents - Easy Fold
 
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You haven't stated stack sizes or position.... so how can one give an educated response?
 
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Oh... you've given some stack sizes.. but not the others which would usually be relevant.
You're sitting on 10bb's... it's a snapcall!
 
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The real question is: "did you believe him?"

If you did... why didnt you call?

Snap call youre 76% fav (I think its 76%). And with that huge chip lead.. you'd be a huge fav to win first.. easy call-the money is in top three spots.
 
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1. You don't have any idea what this guy really has in his hand. If he shows you his cards before the flop, go for it.

2. You've been playing great for 4-5 hours accumulating the clip lead.

3. You have not made your hand yet (as far as you know).

4. You can be behind to numerous hands. (22 to AA)

5. 55-45 is not a coin flip, which one would you prefer?

6. Can you imagine making the call and seeing AA, KK or any pair.

Making the final table with the chip lead is a fantastic accomplishment. Why give away 2/3 of your chips in one hand? I doubt you made it to the final table making coin flips. My 2 cents - Easy Fold
Uh...having a 10BB stack at a final table is nothing to be excited about. You may be the chip leader, but not by very much. Short handed, blinds are moving around a lot and you're giving whatever small edge you have if you're folding this hand here. You're only really behind AA and KK. 22-QQ you're in a 50/50 flip. The opponent is shoving with 6BBs and probably has a huge range of shove hands. Almost any A, maybe K10+, Q10+, etc. So, you're not a huge dog behind any hands other than AA or KK. Call. Yes, 55/45 is not a flip, but its close enough. If you call and you see AA or KK? Oh well, it was still the right call given your stack size compared to blinds vs opponents stack and shove range.

Call.
 
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Unless there's something weird about the payout structure, this is a completely standard call for the reasons given by everyone above, whether you believe Villain or not about his hand.

As 8Michael3 and Kasanova King point out, if you believe Villain, you're not even racing, you're dominating.

What in this situation caused you indecision? Am I missing something?
 
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10 bbs

if you have 10 big blinds left and you are the chip leader then it is a very short stacked tournament, if you pick up ak in that situation the chips have to go in the middle because of the range of hands he could be shuving with and also if you are that deep in the tournament it is a good chance of getting a big chip lead and getting a stranglehold on the tournament.
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Call and any doubts! You are the leader and you should respect and be afraid, especially you a favorite! But if suddenly you will lose - anything terrible, you still have chances
 
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Dudes! I got a Napoleon Dynamite quote in... I mean... that's it, this thread is over. I win!:icon_joke
 
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Uh...having a 10BB stack at a final table is nothing to be excited about. You may be the chip leader, but not by very much. Short handed, blinds are moving around a lot and you're giving whatever small edge you have if you're folding this hand here. You're only really behind AA and KK. 22-QQ you're in a 50/50 flip. The opponent is shoving with 6BBs and probably has a huge range of shove hands. Almost any A, maybe K10+, Q10+, etc. So, you're not a huge dog behind any hands other than AA or KK. Call. Yes, 55/45 is not a flip, but its close enough. If you call and you see AA or KK? Oh well, it was still the right call given your stack size compared to blinds vs opponents stack and shove range.

Call.
Correct, having a 10BB stack at the final table is no big deal. We all have seen huge chip swings at the final table. Over aggression or calling huge all in's with the clip lead are a part of that swing. I would rather see the chip leader stealing blinds and busting players out with smaller stacks. But, I must confess, AK has not been friendly to me in the late stages of large MTTs (hate losing to 33) and I'd much rather be playing with 300,000 than 100,000 chips. Perhaps I would end up first more by making the call? Or, maybe it would just be the beginning of an earlier exit. I guess that's why they call it gambling.
 
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tough decision because if he was lying and was holding AA you would've been done for but that late in the game when your already in the money i would say call because if you have him beat and hes telling the truth its a nice pot for you.:D
 
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I would like to wait for 2 more days before telling wat happenned...
But as requested i would like to give more info...
I was the only one to call him...
He was in button position and me BB i guess...
 
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So what happened?! AA-KK only dominate you, you don't seem too happy about what you did
 
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The results don't really matter..... what matters is the reasoning behind the decision.
THis is such an easy call here I don't know why you're holding off for more time (or whatever).... do ya figure there's going to be a group who will recommend folding?
 
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