***Aces2w1n tourney thread***

[Aces2w1n]

Hey guys,

Last couple years I've considered myself more of a cash player, but I find myself with more of an edge with the locals at tournies.

This will be like my poker journal for tournies.


In my 3rd year of poker now.

My personal records so far are.

Qualified for Sunday round 2 **didn't play round 2 lol**

Made it in the cash three times with bronze tourney.

Bubbled at a local casino at a 25 rebuy without needing to rebuy, only played once there next spot would've won 550 only played a tourney at the casino once.

won $1500 against 117 others at a pub tournament.

won 6 mini pub tournies which were roughly around 150-300 each

Biggest pot won so far was in 1/3 cash game with J9 off hit 2pair on the board J92 and UTG raises and the next guy shoves and I call.... AJ vs QQ against my J9 and my 9 comes up on the turn and a blank on the river ... $989


Anyways looking to further this, my next goal is to qualify for state finals and get into regional finals in my local area for 20k 100k tournies.


Plan was try and learn cash to become a better tournament player, had a lot of volumne.


Lastly my last 8 tournies I've played 5 live and 3 online.... 4 live bubbled and 2 online bubbled (online $1.10 tournies)

Anyways now my new schedule to be playing will be.

Friday & Saturday playing $1.10 tournies prolly 2 or 3 each night plus a few timed tournaments.

Monday nights are my local pubs with $1000 to the winner, which ive started going there three times now which I've bubbled twice which I hate losing whether its last or 2nd I still HATE IT!!!!!!!!

And every month or two i'll be adding in a home game at my place trying to help build that bankroll..

...................


lastly I always wanted to do this for a laugh. turn up at the smallest cash game with the most max buy-in... win enough to buy-in max for the next limit...

And just see how high I can go, if I made it to like 5/10 that would be awesome and funny hahaa. but im sure if im up 2/4 id stop there

 

[Aces2w1n]

My short term goals are to win a local tournament and get that $1000.... Start cashing regularly online with the micro tournies and get a decent roll both live and online....

A bit further down the track just a bit(lol)

win Aussie millions and state finals

Anyways long way to go, i'm just looking to get to the next step first and try and cash regularly which really im going for the win.

my record as ive just come back to tournies now is 6/8 is bubbled and the other 2 1 was a bad beat and the other well was just spew Seem to make it deep in tournies and decent stacked in my sleep but I seem to struggly at the bubble but I take that as a positive because its like batting in cricket or shooting in basketball... The more you do it the greater you become.

So it's only time before I hit the next level ... Anyways thanks for reading this guys and i'll be posting some stuff for advice on this thread and ofc my favourite useless jargon which im sorry about but it comes with the package.

 

[Aces2w1n]

First question is... Anyone got any decent reads for tournament play? especially for bubble play and playing against those aggressive players who try and steal often?

Second question.

Your sitting at a live table and two buddies are sitting there very comfortable chatting laughing with each other stealing blinds... Very comfortable, what do you do to upset them? Not just shove or reraise i'm talking about the mental side of things as well....

Thanks for your feedback if you got through this far.

 

[Aces2w1n]

Mid to later stages towards the bubble....

From late position what range should you be opening from? I've read that you should become more aggressive and play more hands as others become more passive and should take full advantage but how lows too low?

Is Kxs feasible on the button if it's folded to you to raise or try and resteal?

I called with Q4s against UTG and I got that awesome flop 44Q lol, poor guy had AA and he couldn't fold them. Also he shoved the turn saying I bet your going to river me blah blah blah.. lol I said nope I don't need no river *BOOOM!!*

 

[Everybodylovesdeuces]

Read 'Kill Everyone'. That book really goes in depth into tournaments and it has a great section on bubble play. All of the Harrington books I really like too even though a lot of them are general poker.

I play mostly tournament in the $200-$1500 range, I hardly ever play cash. I'm trying to learn the adjustments to playing cash right now myself. One of the biggest transitions coming to tournament world is learning stack management and not always relying solely on pot odds in your decisions.

 

[Aces2w1n]

Great thanks for that i'll search for that

I understand that sometimes decisions can be based on the position after if I win a giant pot... I know the basics generally but it's always great to relearn and build from a foundation and gradually accumulate xp and knowledge.


Cash online I really need to play huge volumnes but with a wife and 2 kids its hard, so i'll have to focus on tournaments... atm i'm going to try and play either Friday/Saturday nights on stars at the low micro tournies... Good practice anyways, did decent last time but was bubbled.

I'm due for a win soon I can smell it, but i'll just purely keep that under the matt and think on decision making and find the best juicy games live.

Once I hit a decent size bankroll i'll hit the casino and play cash and crash those guys... the only thing stopping me now is varience/bankroll

 

[Jacki Burkhart]

It sounds to me like you're bubbling a lot which can suggest 1 of 2 possible leaks:

#1 arriving at the bubble with too few chips to survive
#2 taking too many risks on the bubble.

Usually you would suffer from one or the other of these since they are kind of opposite in style; although I suppose it is possible to have both.

As for your range questions....if we're talking about bubble play it is much more important WHO is in the BB than what my hand is on the button.

if there is a nit in the BB and it folds to my button, then I will raise literally any 2 cards. If there is an average TAG in the BB and it folds to my Button then I think Any pair, any Ace, K2s+, K7o+ Q5s+, Q7o+, J7+, T7s+, 97s, 87s, 86s is OK to open raise the button with. (45%) As for re-stealing I like to have live hands when I resteal, and a hand like K4s is easily dominated by their calling range when you re-steal. I'd rather re-steal with 67s or J9o than K4s... Remember when you're open raising you have no reason to think anybody left to act has better than an average hand and you are announcing "I have a good hand!". When you are re-stealing, somebody has announced "I have a good hand!" and you are replying "I have a better hand!" It's a whole different situation and you really need to think about their opening ranges and calling ranges here.

obviously all of this is very stack size dependent and bubble dependent.

There is some meta-game stuff here too. for instance if I just raised my Button with 97s and then the very next hand I get dealt A2o in my CO I might let it go even though it is techinally a better hand...

 

[Aces2w1n]

My call range if against early position raise.. normally is any two pair and suited connectors trying to pickup and stackoff because our opp don't like folding overpairs etc. works ...

Last two tournies I can remember was I had 2 pair shoved and the guy hit his gut on the river and he was calling any two cards all the time eventually he got knocked out this was a live tourney.

Last time lol was absolutely stupid.... WHy on earth did I call blinds were 30k-60k no ante... I had 180k... utg with 400k chip leader limped. I limped and the person next to me shoved. the utg folded and I looked at T8s and I called. lol

I don't know if that's a good spot to call with T8s especially against someone who's quite tight haha I know I felt sick afterwards and I don't normally call those and just put em in the muck but with all this reading im starting to do with gappers and suited connectors I thought id just gamble and see what happened.

the person next to me had just over my chips not by much either bout 200k it was a pub tourney... but theres no doubt in my mind I should've let it go and hope to get another hand shortly but it was 7 handed with steep blinds. pressure was on.

 

[RamdeeBen]

Well with 3 blinds behind you shouldn't be limping behind to start with. When he shoves tho you are priced in. What an crap structure this sounds by the way lol chip leader has 6bb ?

 

[Aces2w1n]

Yes lol it's rather fast paced... but makes for good practice to create a shove/fold strategy...

I did call which I normally would've folded... they had KK if they had AK I would've won w

 

[Aces2w1n]

pokerstars Hand #124219269262: Tournament #1017822996, $0.10+$0.01 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level III (20/40) - 2014/10/31 21:11:40 AEST [2014/10/31 6:11:40 ET]
Table '1017822996 10' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: sacrament67 (4135 in chips)
Seat 2: Viktute074 (2765 in chips)
Seat 3: elimaneter78 (2600 in chips)
Seat 4: Othrys (5080 in chips)
Seat 5: The Wotah (5840 in chips)
Seat 6: DavidMKS (2925 in chips)
Seat 7: Run_a_Dub (6490 in chips)
Seat 8: krme202 (2700 in chips)
Seat 9: MeRoK one89 (3465 in chips)
The Wotah: posts small blind 20
DavidMKS: posts big blind 40
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Othrys [6c 4c]
Run_a_Dub: folds
krme202: raises 40 to 80
MeRoK one89: raises 100 to 180
sacrament67: folds
Viktute074: folds
elimaneter78: folds
Othrys: raises 500 to 680
The Wotah: raises 5160 to 5840 and is all-in
DavidMKS: calls 2885 and is all-in
krme202: folds
MeRoK one89: calls 3285 and is all-in
Othrys: calls 4400 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (760) returned to The Wotah
*** FLOP *** [4s 6h 3h]
*** TURN *** [4s 6h 3h] [9s]
*** RIVER *** [4s 6h 3h 9s] [2h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
The Wotah: shows [Tc Td] (a pair of Tens)
Othrys: shows [6c 4c] (two pair, Sixes and Fours)
Othrys collected 3230 from side pot-2
MeRoK one89: shows [Ad As] (a pair of Aces)
Othrys collected 1620 from side pot-1
DavidMKS: shows [Kh Jh] (a flush, King high)
DavidMKS collected 11780 from main pot
MeRoK one89 finished the tournament in 757th place
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 16630 Main pot 11780. Side pot-1 1620. Side pot-2 3230. | Rake 0
Board [4s 6h 3h 9s 2h]
Seat 1: sacrament67 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Viktute074 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: elimaneter78 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Othrys (button) showed [6c 4c] and won (4850) with two pair, Sixes and Fours
Seat 5: The Wotah (small blind) showed [Tc Td] and lost with a pair of Tens
Seat 6: DavidMKS (big blind) showed [Kh Jh] and won (11780) with a flush, King high
Seat 7: Run_a_Dub folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: krme202 folded before Flop
Seat 9: MeRoK one89 showed [Ad As] and lost with a pair of Aces

 

[Aces2w1n]

This one I learnt from kill everyone lol


PokerStars Hand #124219462825: Tournament #1017822996, $0.10+$0.01 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (25/50) - 2014/10/31 21:18:13 AEST [2014/10/31 6:18:13 ET]
Table '1017822996 10' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: sacrament67 (4610 in chips)
Seat 2: Viktute074 (2615 in chips)
Seat 3: elimaneter78 (2283 in chips)
Seat 4: Othrys (5090 in chips)
Seat 5: The Wotah (760 in chips)
Seat 6: DavidMKS (11760 in chips)
Seat 7: Run_a_Dub (6802 in chips)
Seat 8: krme202 (2140 in chips)
Seat 9: sansay_jan (2940 in chips) is sitting out
elimaneter78: posts small blind 25
Othrys: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Othrys [6c Kd]
The Wotah: folds
DavidMKS: folds
Run_a_Dub: calls 50
krme202: calls 50
sansay_jan: folds
sacrament67: folds
Viktute074: folds
elimaneter78: calls 25
Othrys: checks
*** FLOP *** [Tc Ac 4c]
elimaneter78: checks
Othrys: bets 200
Run_a_Dub: folds
krme202: calls 200
elimaneter78: folds
*** TURN *** [Tc Ac 4c] [4h]
Othrys: bets 600
krme202: calls 600
*** RIVER *** [Tc Ac 4c 4h] [3d]
Othrys: bets 1800
krme202: folds
Uncalled bet (1800) returned to Othrys
Othrys collected 1800 from pot
Othrys: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1800 | Rake 0
Board [Tc Ac 4c 4h 3d]
Seat 1: sacrament67 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Viktute074 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: elimaneter78 (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 4: Othrys (big blind) collected (1800)
Seat 5: The Wotah folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: DavidMKS folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Run_a_Dub folded on the Flop
Seat 8: krme202 folded on the River
Seat 9: sansay_jan folded before Flop (didn't bet)

 

[Jacki Burkhart]

My call range if against early position raise.. normally is any two pair and suited connectors trying to pickup and stackoff because our opp don't like folding overpairs etc. works ...

Last two tournies I can remember was I had 2 pair shoved and the guy hit his gut on the river and he was calling any two cards all the time eventually he got knocked out this was a live tourney.

Last time lol was absolutely stupid.... WHy on earth did I call blinds were 30k-60k no ante... I had 180k... utg with 400k chip leader limped. I limped and the person next to me shoved. the utg folded and I looked at T8s and I called. lol

I don't know if that's a good spot to call with T8s especially against someone who's quite tight haha I know I felt sick afterwards and I don't normally call those and just put em in the muck but with all this reading im starting to do with gappers and suited connectors I thought id just gamble and see what happened.

the person next to me had just over my chips not by much either bout 200k it was a pub tourney... but theres no doubt in my mind I should've let it go and hope to get another hand shortly but it was 7 handed with steep blinds. pressure was on.

You have to shove or fold in these spots. It just makes the pot TOOOOOO sweet if you limp along and somebody at the table really SHOULD jam. Early in the game "limping along" with speculative hands can be OK because the chances of somebody else making a huge raise are smaller but if they DO make a huge raise you can let it go because your pot odds will be bad.

In this situation once you LIMP with 3bbs you are pot committed. think about that for a second. If LIMPING pot commits you, then obviously you should just jam or fold (actually, you should jam or fold long before that time comes so that your stack has some fold equity). 3BBs isn't really even enough to get 1 limper to fold.

Believe me, I've been at plenty of tables when the blinds are big and stacks are shallow and somebody limps and I look down at a playable hand....a hand I would have limped along with when stacks were deep, and with short stacks I would have happily shoved with like JTs but now my "playable" "shovable" hand is just a mucking hand because I'm not the first one in the pot, so my FE is greatly diminished.

I have also found that when blinds are big, players who open limp from early position are even MORE likely than normal to have a monster. They know it's already likely somebody will shove preflop, and they know the presence of a limper will embolden some aggressive players into shipping even wider.

 

[Jacki Burkhart]

PokerStars Hand #124219269262: Tournament #1017822996, $0.10+$0.01 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level III (20/40) - 2014/10/31 21:11:40 AEST [2014/10/31 6:11:40 ET]
Table '1017822996 10' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: sacrament67 (4135 in chips)
Seat 2: Viktute074 (2765 in chips)
Seat 3: elimaneter78 (2600 in chips)
Seat 4: Othrys (5080 in chips)
Seat 5: The Wotah (5840 in chips)
Seat 6: DavidMKS (2925 in chips)
Seat 7: Run_a_Dub (6490 in chips)
Seat 8: krme202 (2700 in chips)
Seat 9: MeRoK one89 (3465 in chips)
The Wotah: posts small blind 20
DavidMKS: posts big blind 40
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Othrys [6c 4c]
Run_a_Dub: folds
krme202: raises 40 to 80
MeRoK one89: raises 100 to 180
sacrament67: folds
Viktute074: folds
elimaneter78: folds
Othrys: raises 500 to 680
The Wotah: raises 5160 to 5840 and is all-in
DavidMKS: calls 2885 and is all-in
krme202: folds
MeRoK one89: calls 3285 and is all-in
Othrys: calls 4400 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (760) returned to The Wotah
*** FLOP *** [4s 6h 3h]
*** TURN *** [4s 6h 3h] 9♠
*** RIVER *** [4s 6h 3h 9s] <font color='red'>2♥</font>
*** SHOW DOWN ***
The Wotah: shows [Tc Td] (a pair of Tens)
Othrys: shows [6c 4c] (two pair, Sixes and Fours)
Othrys collected 3230 from side pot-2
MeRoK one89: shows [Ad As] (a pair of Aces)
Othrys collected 1620 from side pot-1
DavidMKS: shows [Kh Jh] (a flush, King high)
DavidMKS collected 11780 from main pot
MeRoK one89 finished the tournament in 757th place
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 16630 Main pot 11780. Side pot-1 1620. Side pot-2 3230. | Rake 0
Board [4s 6h 3h 9s 2h]
Seat 1: sacrament67 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Viktute074 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: elimaneter78 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Othrys (button) showed [6c 4c] and won (4850) with two pair, Sixes and Fours
Seat 5: The Wotah (small blind) showed [Tc Td] and lost with a pair of Tens
Seat 6: DavidMKS (big blind) showed [Kh Jh] and won (11780) with a flush, King high
Seat 7: Run_a_Dub folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: krme202 folded before Flop
Seat 9: MeRoK one89 showed [Ad As] and lost with a pair of Aces

I don't understand your thinking in this hand with 64s. Now, There are times I will 3bet light and even occasionally 4bet light but that is ALWAYS heads up facing 1 opponent. When 2 other opponents are showing extreme interest and strength in the hand by raising and re-raising from early position it is NOT the time to 4bet bluff. But when a fourth player jams all in, your alarm bells should be going off. When a fifth player calls for less, you should be pretty positive you are facing an AA vs KK type situation. When one of the original raisers also goes all in, your 64s should be hitting the muck so fast it's not even funny. I just seriously cannot understand why you called the all ins of 3 other players with 64s when you only had 13% of your stack invested in the hand and if you fold you'll still have over 100 bbs.

The fact that you got lucky and caught 2 pair to win a side pot should not give you any solace about how you played this hand...

 

[Jacki Burkhart]

This one I learnt from kill everyone lol


PokerStars Hand #124219462825: Tournament #1017822996, $0.10+$0.01 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (25/50) - 2014/10/31 21:18:13 AEST [2014/10/31 6:18:13 ET]
Table '1017822996 10' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: sacrament67 (4610 in chips)
Seat 2: Viktute074 (2615 in chips)
Seat 3: elimaneter78 (2283 in chips)
Seat 4: Othrys (5090 in chips)
Seat 5: The Wotah (760 in chips)
Seat 6: DavidMKS (11760 in chips)
Seat 7: Run_a_Dub (6802 in chips)
Seat 8: krme202 (2140 in chips)
Seat 9: sansay_jan (2940 in chips) is sitting out
elimaneter78: posts small blind 25
Othrys: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Othrys [6c Kd]
The Wotah: folds
DavidMKS: folds
Run_a_Dub: calls 50
krme202: calls 50
sansay_jan: folds
sacrament67: folds
Viktute074: folds
elimaneter78: calls 25
Othrys: checks
*** FLOP *** [Tc Ac 4c]
elimaneter78: checks
Othrys: bets 200
Run_a_Dub: folds
krme202: calls 200
elimaneter78: folds
*** TURN *** [Tc Ac 4c] <font color='red'>4♥</font>
Othrys: bets 600
krme202: calls 600
*** RIVER *** [Tc Ac 4c 4h] <font color='red'>3<font face="arial">♦</font></font>
Othrys: bets 1800
krme202: folds
Uncalled bet (1800) returned to Othrys
Othrys collected 1800 from pot
Othrys: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1800 | Rake 0
Board [Tc Ac 4c 4h 3d]
Seat 1: sacrament67 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Viktute074 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: elimaneter78 (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 4: Othrys (big blind) collected (1800)
Seat 5: The Wotah folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: DavidMKS folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Run_a_Dub folded on the Flop
Seat 8: krme202 folded on the River
Seat 9: sansay_jan folded before Flop (didn't bet)

This one is a little better, provided you have a plan for the hand and have good reasons for your bets.

Flop:Leading out for a pot sized bet into 3 opponents on a monotone flop is OK. You'll have mixed results with this play, but you're taking the lead on a scary board, so it's not terrible. if you decide to bet, I think pot sized is best as it's most likely to get it heads up and help you "take control"

Turn: OK, now the pot has 600 in it and it's heads up. And you're out of position. I don't think you need to bet the pot. If you're putting him on a club draw and just hoping to buy the pot if no club comes on the river, then you can bet a little smaller, between 350 and 450 should accomplish the same thing and you'll lose less the times a club comes, or the times you are wrong on your read and he is calling all 3 streets with his Ace or better. On the other hand, if you are just trying to take this pot down NOW you could go for the check raise since you are in the BB and could easily have a 4 you could check and then raise the pot if he bets. That is more dangerous and if he checks behind it will make it harder to steal the pot on the river, so I think I'd lead out for 2/3 the pot (400) on this turn card.

River: OK, no club came so if our plan is to buy the pot from busted club draws we can certainly accomplish that with less than a pot sized bet. I'd bet about 50-60% of the pot on this river, so in this case it would be a 900-1000 chip bet...however since I would have also bet smaller on the turn my half pot river bet would only have been 700-800.

So, let's pretend he had an ace and called all 3 streets of your 3 barrel bluff (it happens!) your line would have cost you 200+600+1,800= 2,600. My line would have cost you 200+400+700= 1,300. Notice both lines are a 3 barrel bluff and both lines cause a missed flush draw to fold, but my line loses half as much when he shows up on the river with a real hand.

This is where it's important to have a plan for the hand. If a club comes on the river you are going to check/fold, right? Because you certainly can't expect to beat much on a paired board with a 6 high 1 card flush. AND, you have a tiny bit of show down value if he decides to check back his naked ace you will sometimes win with your crappy flush. So check fold 100% of the time on any club on the river.

The way I would have played this hand is to check fold on the flop....but I don't mind your creative play here. I could use to add some more of that to my game...

 

[Aces2w1n]

I don't understand your thinking in this hand with 64s. Now, There are times I will 3bet light and even occasionally 4bet light but that is ALWAYS heads up facing 1 opponent. When 2 other opponents are showing extreme interest and strength in the hand by raising and re-raising from early position it is NOT the time to 4bet bluff. But when a fourth player jams all in, your alarm bells should be going off. When a fifth player calls for less, you should be pretty positive you are facing an AA vs KK type situation. When one of the original raisers also goes all in, your 64s should be hitting the muck so fast it's not even funny. I just seriously cannot understand why you called the all ins of 3 other players with 64s when you only had 13% of your stack invested in the hand and if you fold you'll still have over 100 bbs.

The fact that you got lucky and caught 2 pair to win a side pot should not give you any solace about how you played this hand...

I really don't play these hands like this often at all... Like once every 6months i'll call this with a similar suited connectors.

Just the fact I thought everyone would have each others outs and i'd have two live cards meaning my cards improve in value and the other guys cards would diminish in value.

My cards also fare better multi pots where peoples AK KK etc fail to hold up most of the time.

But it's not a habbit in my game, it was just a random gamble.

 

[Aces2w1n]

This one is a little better, provided you have a plan for the hand and have good reasons for your bets.

Flop:Leading out for a pot sized bet into 3 opponents on a monotone flop is OK. You'll have mixed results with this play, but you're taking the lead on a scary board, so it's not terrible. if you decide to bet, I think pot sized is best as it's most likely to get it heads up and help you "take control"

Turn: OK, now the pot has 600 in it and it's heads up. And you're out of position. I don't think you need to bet the pot. If you're putting him on a club draw and just hoping to buy the pot if no club comes on the river, then you can bet a little smaller, between 350 and 450 should accomplish the same thing and you'll lose less the times a club comes, or the times you are wrong on your read and he is calling all 3 streets with his Ace or better. On the other hand, if you are just trying to take this pot down NOW you could go for the check raise since you are in the BB and could easily have a 4 you could check and then raise the pot if he bets. That is more dangerous and if he checks behind it will make it harder to steal the pot on the river, so I think I'd lead out for 2/3 the pot (400) on this turn card.

River: OK, no club came so if our plan is to buy the pot from busted club draws we can certainly accomplish that with less than a pot sized bet. I'd bet about 50-60% of the pot on this river, so in this case it would be a 900-1000 chip bet...however since I would have also bet smaller on the turn my half pot river bet would only have been 700-800.

So, let's pretend he had an ace and called all 3 streets of your 3 barrel bluff (it happens!) your line would have cost you 200+600+1,800= 2,600. My line would have cost you 200+400+700= 1,300. Notice both lines are a 3 barrel bluff and both lines cause a missed flush draw to fold, but my line loses half as much when he shows up on the river with a real hand.

This is where it's important to have a plan for the hand. If a club comes on the river you are going to check/fold, right? Because you certainly can't expect to beat much on a paired board with a 6 high 1 card flush. AND, you have a tiny bit of show down value if he decides to check back his naked ace you will sometimes win with your crappy flush. So check fold 100% of the time on any club on the river.

The way I would have played this hand is to check fold on the flop....but I don't mind your creative play here. I could use to add some more of that to my game...

Yes well I just figured my opponent limped pre, he was weak... even if he hit anything he wasn't totally happy.

By betting quite steep i'd have hoped he put us on two pair or something? Or even a better kicker.

Just because theres a flush draw doesn't mean he'd get the flush if the club comes along i'd be betting that as well because we could easily be chasing a flush ourselves.

But really I need to start thinking more of how many times would this have to work compared to fail to make this move profitable?

 

[Jacki Burkhart]

Just because theres a flush draw doesn't mean he'd get the flush if the club comes along i'd be betting that as well because we could easily be chasing a flush ourselves.

But really I need to start thinking more of how many times would this have to work compared to fail to make this move profitable?

I think if another club comes on the river betting would be a huge mistake. If he has no club and he was just calling the whole way with a pair then now you have showdown value. You don't need to turn your tiny flush into a bluff. If he was chasing his flush and you bet out then you'll get raised off your hand that had done showdown value. No need to bluff a weak hand in a spot like that.

Also, betting the river suggests that you really have no idea where your at in the hand. If you are going to bet the pot in ANY river card, then what the heck do you put him on? Do you actually put him on a range of hands, or are you just hoping blind aggression will prevail? I think the blind aggression strategy has a lot of downfalls and needlessly overexposes your stack.

This may explain why you bubble so frequently.

 

[Aces2w1n]

My home game 2nd out of 10... winner took all lol

YAY (sarcasm) lol tomorrow night is the pub night


On the upside though i had AK which failed me but still consistently making it to the end which is good no matter how good or trashy my cards are i'm generally there.

Hit 2 pair three times and let them go without losing much at all.. my low 2 pair would've ran into top two pair or better each time so that's a bonus.

My favourite hand lastnight was a set of 6's on the flop and the other guy had a set of 2's ... don't often see that stuff live as much especially at my home.

Best hand was Q3off.... board 2 8 9 J T ..... In that order... the other guy had lower straight haha but i didn't bet the river because there was a possible flush out there.

 

[Aces2w1n]

I think if another club comes on the river betting would be a huge mistake. If he has no club and he was just calling the whole way with a pair then now you have showdown value. You don't need to turn your tiny flush into a bluff. If he was chasing his flush and you bet out then you'll get raised off your hand that had done showdown value. No need to bluff a weak hand in a spot like that.

Also, betting the river suggests that you really have no idea where your at in the hand. If you are going to bet the pot in ANY river card, then what the heck do you put him on? Do you actually put him on a range of hands, or are you just hoping blind aggression will prevail? I think the blind aggression strategy has a lot of downfalls and needlessly overexposes your stack.

This may explain why you bubble so frequently.

Quite possible, i think especially online it could be a decent reason why but not probably live i don't do that live so much because people tend to call you down where i play.

Yes i was just expecting him to fold and at the end of the day i thought he limped so whatever he had wasn't high including a flush... So i thought i could even get him to fold a medium flush card even but that's silly because at these stakes it would never work lol

So yeah i need to make sure i play the club card different. Thanks for your input

 

[Aces2w1n]

ouch 15th out of 120 peeps in a live tourney...

1 hand I do want to ask though.

Blinds 20k -40k

SB 180k
BB 140k

Small blinds vs Big blind (me)

Preflop.

SB limps and I call looking at K8

board goes K Q J T rainbow

SB shoves all in.

Hero????

 

[Aces2w1n]

forgot to also add that I busted out Monday night 24th out of 60..

Was the hand I busted with T9s which I analysed already.

 

[Aces2w1n]

Man im over being 1 or 2 tables short of final table... though on the upside the best 2 hands I had alnight was AK

I managed to bluff my way to this spot without anything except AK twice... Had no other pockets and the only other hand I had was ATs which I had to fold due to shoves which had AK KQ and the T hit.. perhaps its telling me I need to gamble a bit more when the blind raises.

 

[Aces2w1n]

Oh the hand which busted me out tonight

30k 60k blinds.

Dealer(me) 80k
UTG 300k

UTG limps...

it all folds to me and I shove with 5h5c.. she calls and shows Kh10soff...

board 2h 8h 8 7h 4h


Earlier in the night I did make what appeared to be a bad decision but I got extremely lucky.
Blinds 500-1000
Asks suited (me) 38,000
UTG AA 50,500

UTG limps, I raise to 3k and UTG raises to 12k

Board goes KcTs 8c

UTG checks.

I raise to 12k and he flats.

board goes 3h
he shoves his remainder and I pretty much felt priced in to call...I felt the only hand i'd have to worry about was AA which he had but I didn't know that and I could have him outkicked and he could have any type of medium strength hand.

K hits the river and I stay alive and double up

 

[Aces2w1n]

Whether I finish last or 2nd it bloody stings man!!! I always feel like I should win everytime I play ahah but I know deep down its not possible.

But getting very deep 7 out of 10 tourneys I should've cashed or won at least 1 or 2 ....

but I know in the end its helping my bubble and short stack play.... I need to strengthen my push/fold game...

My deepstack play isn't bad at the start.... but if I become chipleader middle to latish stages (excluding final table) I seem to struggle, I seem to go better shortstack and getting a run of luck and getting deep last 2 tables.... I seem to do final tables well though, usually give it a strong go...

hmmm just gotta keep plugging away and trying and reading things and analysing more.