AA v KK

Hi everyone,
been a casual reader on here for a while but wouldnt some feedback on the following hand...
I was playing the 5euro storm on ps yesterday. 1500+ runners with rebuys. I was on a 250k starting stack (starting 10k) with 4k blinds and a ITM finish would have been a min requirement after a few bad results.
I picked up KK EP and raised to 10.5K. One of the two players on the table that had my stack covered reraised LP to 22K. I repopped it to 40K and he flatted. Flop comes out 289 rainbow and i checked with the intention of checkraising allin. He cbets 35K and i shoved - im putting his range here as TT, JJ,QQ, AQ, AK, possibly 8s or 9s. He calls (no instacall which made it worse when he showed AA) and it held up to take me out in 240th. The pot would have put me 3rd.
My question is whether it is a good idea to play this hand slower and check call it to showdown this close to the bubble. Top 150 or so paid but the bubble burst half hour later after id been playing for 5 hours. If id have flatted his 22K raise, the post flop betting wouldnt have committed me so much and the turn and river might have made him slow a little (10, J diamonds). Or should I always be happy to stack off with KK with 50-60BB if i want to have a chance to have a deep run.
Thanks in advance

If this is at a level where you normally play and you're properly rolled, then you should have no problem getting it in against his perceived range. It should make no difference that you haven't had a good result in a while.

Tough spot but if you really really wanted to atleast min cash, you have to think twice before risking all your stack. Easier said than done with Kings, but still avoid staking the entire stack on one hand.

I think he played it well flatting your 4 bet and even though you said you needed a min cash you played it in a way that you have a shot at a deep run, which is a good thing..

IMO this is just a cooler, I'm not a fan of check shoving I hate check shoves IDK y

Not always losing a hand means you played it bad... there is no hand that you can be sure will win...

But if you are aming to finish ITM you might be more careful risking all your stack, specially if you go against a player that has your stack covered.

ye i reckon he played it well to be fair. flatting my 4-bet threw me off. I think that's why i took it a bit harder than normal coz i wasnt expecting to see the aces.
I only check-shoved his c-bet coz i was committed at that point. It wasnt much more than a pot sized shove. If i had have just called his postflop bet, I guess i was calling his turn bet anyway so I thought i might as well of got it in post flop.
I had a hand with him two hands prior where he check-overshoved on a flop of 3 spades after i had c-betted my AJ (no spades) so i figured he might have been playing table bully. the other 7 players on the table had no more than 70K so i could have took the hit of them, just unlucky i guess that i walked in to a cooler with the big stack.

don't play kk slow but definitely filter out some of the limpers and push them out. if he has A-blank for AA then you're just out of luck. lol

I think playing to go deep in this case was a good choice. You can't always play for min cash and waste your opportunities.

I agree, in this case he played it very well and you ran into some untimely luck.

I think you played it perfectly fine, don´t worry about it. I hate when you have 1010+ on flop with low cards of different suits and you are just guessing if he´s floating to the turn with AJ+ or with made pocket pair (of course not the case here with shoving on the flop). GL next time.

You play check/ shove it's fine.
If u bet he will re-raise (or go all in) and u shove (or call) nothing changes.
You hit a good flop to play with KK.
This is a typical cooler.

thanks for the feedback guys. I guess the general consensus was that the hand was a bit of a cooler. It was a spot that would have given me a chance at a deep run for big cash and to play scared coz the bubble is approaching is a bad play in general.
It turned out that his entire range would have beat me in the end coz of the way the board ran out (289TJ)- 77, 88, 99, TT, JJ, QQ and AQ (even AK diamonds) all beat me lol I would rather have lost to AA and call it a cooler, than lose to any of the above hands and been done to a bad beat!

hey guys. happened again!!!! sort of
1515 runners in the 10euro. 222 runners left, 171 pay. pick up AA this time. big stack raises to 4xBB, i repop to 9BB. he shoves with KJsuited. rivers his 10 for the nut straight. ****in jokerstars
edit: he wasnt even bigstacked, only had me covered by 2BB

bubble burst 4 minutes later lol

This is typical cooler mate, you played the hand good and with some more luck you won't be out. And your last post means you are just unlucky mate, and pokerstars is shit at all so you probably should change your cardroom!

Cheers for the sympathy magician! In the op I was moaning about grinding for hours and then hitting a cooler right before the bubble. And tonight I was playing a decent stack, short stack shoved with 99 on my BB when I had AQ. I called and he held up which put me on about 50BB. I genuineyl said to myself that I'd fold til the money and picked up AA a few hands later lol anf got shoved on!
I tried installing bovada and 888 last night but 888 has few games its unreal and bovada isn't available in spain. Any suggestions?

well played not well the outcome

The problem with KK against AA is that is hard to fold kings in a board without an ace, or a dry board or without a trip option,

then you read the preflop and also you could foresee there is no a pair less than jacks, so you can suppose there is not a set, so what it left is a top pair preflop, including jacks, queens, kings or aces

but again is a tough call fold the pocket kings in a mtt, one wants to reach as deep as one can and doesn`t get so many pocket kings in a mtt, sometimes none, so it`s nothing but easy to fold kings, and tougher to think there are so many chips in the pot that could put one, as you say, among the top three

so i think it was not wrong played at all but in poker happens, one has kings the villain has aces

best thing for KK vs AA

Phil Ivey is the sickest Player to ever hit the felt!!!!!

Sometimes ICM says KK needs to be folded before the flop, I think.

Against an unknown we all in simple with virtually any KK preflop move . And limp / raise too. At the micros - even more so.
And by the way , depending on the stage of the tournament , I can start 3bet starting with AT + , 88 + and on value with anything on the bluff . But , omitting option bluff 3bet , AT + and 88 + can not go for an hour and then sit yourse lf 50 or more hands to 3bet 0 , and this in no way means that if I do 3bet , I have AA instead JJ, for example, or AQo .
Many situations, are one -KK - monster, and he played mostly on the stack. Invent something extra is not worth it.

**** that, you trying to win.
shove every time if you run into aces just eat it that shits rare

Maybe shoving on the flop is a bit rash but then it's probable that if you raised smaller he'd put you in anyway and you would be calling: cooler.

Honestly the hand is just a cooler. When he flats pf and you check shove his C bet you could maybe just flat there 1.) For pot control against another big stack on the money bubble 2.) just to see his action on another street and then you would have known he at the very least had Ax. Maybe the turn comes an A (unlikely in this situation) or a broadway card comes completing draws and sets in his three bet range. Your play is definitely not wrong KK has a lot of equity and playing them aggressively is correct IMO, just a cooler.

AA vs KK, more often then not the money is just getting in; either preflop or on the flop (provided the texture). Just chalk it up to a cooler cuz soon enough you'll be the guy with AA.

I think villain played the hand very well. His pre-flop flat is so sneaky, hard to put him on AA. I don't think I would've gotten away there, on the flop you are really only thinking he has an overpair under yours or a set which is hard to imagine that he would 3bet those hands and then cold call.

I think you just got unlucky he had AA and not TT-QQ here or AK. As played I like the check raise on the flop. Just unfortunate you were beat this time.