AA/KK/QQ/JJ on 3 card flush flop??

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As the title says, say you have one of the big pocket pairs;

Two black aces on the HJ and you raise, get 1/2 callers maybe and then the flop is 10 high, 3 hearts.

How would you, in general, proceed here? Notwithstanding stack sizes, player image etc. I mean, how would you go about continuing (or not) with your aggression here?

Would you C-bet? If you're in position would you check back? If someone donk leads would you fold, call or even bluff-raise?

I feel like this general situation arises a lot when I have aces and kings etc and more often than not I don't have the flush cards so how should I continue?

Thanks.
 
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Notwithstanding stack sizes, player image etc
You mean at the beginning of the tournament when there is no information on villain. If yes, so standard cbet around 50% of the pot enough on wet board, turn if not closed flush, now depending on the position, oop only check/call, IP cbet/fold. And river better pot control check/call. This is a very vacuum analysis because the texture board and our position highly dependent what we will do on every street.
 
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If u bet into him u can rep a flush draw or a set or two pair and most of the times he won't have a flush
 
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check for pot controll and to see your opponents moves.you dont want a big pot there..
on turn you can make your move better.bet 2/3 of the pot or check- fold with a heart
besides you will not have a reraise there and a tough decision to take
c-bet the flop is a bad idea in my opinion because you go in an all in situation
so,pot control.take your value later or easy fold with a 4th heart
 
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If to you one or more limpers, virtually 100% of the time you have to make a raise. Call after limpers with a strong hand - a very subtle game. The fact that in this case of raise a huge potential in terms of value out as some of the limpers may well decide that you just decided to MSY. The size of raise depends on whether you want to see the call or immediately take the pot. This, in turn, is largely determined by the previous game at the table.
 
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If to you one or more limpers, virtually 100% of the time you have to make a raise. Call after limpers with a strong hand - a very subtle game. The fact that in this case of raise a huge potential in terms of value out as some of the limpers may well decide that you just decided to MSY. The size of raise depends on whether you want to see the call or immediately take the pot. This, in turn, is largely determined by the previous game at the table.

That's all well and good Kaspar, and thanks for the response, but I think you've missed the point. I'm trying to determine how to proceed when 3 flush cards hit the flop and I don't have one.

Say 3 hearts hit and I've got aces with the ace of hearts then I'm happy to get it in most times but if I have two black aces then that's where the problems begin.

A poster above recommended checking back IP for pot control and check-folding turn if a fourth flush card strikes but in general it's a tricky and untenable spot for me.
 
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From a purely mathamatical perspective the odds are 118-1 that anyone flopped the flush but draws are likele. A minimum of a pot sizt c-bet is a must in my opinion or depending on what the stacks are in relation to the blinds an overbet. It is imperative the opponents are not getting the odds to chase and if they do your forcing them to commit an error in doing so.

If the turn card does not create an uncomfortable situation and of course provided you have not gotten any resistence thus far a full pot size bet is needed here as well.
 
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High couples not often come and it is correct to play them not always it is possible when on a flopa three cards of one color and you meet a high rate this difficult decision.
It is necessary to learn to dump cards if after a reyz is re-reyz that it фолд unambiguously at such moment
 
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I'd stay aggressive. If they have the flush or flush draw they will most likely call and you can evaluate after the turn.
 
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I would also play agressiv. The chance that someone is on a flush draw is bigger then someone already has the flush. I don't want to give those players freecards, even if I pay a flush sometimes.
 
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I would continuation bet, and wait for reply of opponents
 
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C bet for value from draws or pair+draw hands and a little protection for your hand. It doesn't need to be huge, around half pot would be fine. This way we give him bad odds to draw as long as we don't pay him off later and we can practice pot control with a single pair hand.
 
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if it can not make any sense to continue to flush faders and may already be too flush.
only makes sense if we had only 1 missing, or if the flop came down and we look forward to mate the drill or come to the poker table
 
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