This is a discussion on With AA I go all in? within the online poker forums, in the Tournament Poker section; With a pair of AA in the first leg of a tournament, does anyone go all-in? Should we pay?
I recently fell with an AA hand
With such a hand, AA, you should always look at the situation. For example, before the flop definitely always all-in. After, only by how much the flop is dangerous for us and the players who went to the flop.
I'll add a bit of nuance to your question. The short answer is "yes", you want to get it in with AA anywhere anytime. The longer answer is it depends how, to some extent. Your question references the beginning levels of a tournament. In my experience this is where opponents will gamble the most. We should always be betting or raising with AA here and pretty much never just calling. That does not mean we should just jam all in when a few players have only called or made a smaller raise. Try raising an amount 3x or 4x the current BB pre flop, a little more if there are players already in the hand. If they raise again then you can also raise again. When the ratio of the pot to your remaining stack goes down to a level of 1.2 or lower, that is the time to move all in. It doesn't make much since to raise less at that point and have say 800 left with a pot size of 2200 for example.
Example: BB = 30, ACR on demand $10 freeroll.
UTG calls 1 BB
UTG+1 calls 1 BB,
MP raise to 3 BB (90)
CO calls 3 BB
Hero on BUT with AA (50 BB, 1500): The pot is 9.5 BB our stack is 50 BB. There is no need to shove here. Just raise to 12-15 BB (360-450) and if they raise or go all in then you can go all in.
I mean, an ideal situation is an all in preflop with AA early in a tourney. I'm not sure shoving is the best option, but I have done it before so saying don't do it would make me a hypocrite. I agree with everyone who says bet 3x, 4x or 5x and respond appropriately to a re-raise etc. I think it's best to play it out and see a flop and decide what to do from there. At least you'll stay alive in the tournament if you're beat and don't lose all of your chips
You should always try to induce, I mean if you feel that your opponent is strong and you are deep you should always 3bet, 4bet etc. But if you get shoved preflop, you should never fold aces. Ofc you wont win 100% of times, but you can't fold the best hand. The only situation I would fold them is in satellites when you are near the bubble being pretty sure of getting the ticket.
Never question yourself for making right move with bad outcome. You will win with aces against any other pocket pair around 4 out of 5 Times, I like those odds, don't you?
I never go all in with A's, thin the field with a 4 bet or larger, hopefully you will get some takers. If you go all in you may get the same players anyway or only the blinds. I rather take my chances and build the pot. If the flop hits you then go all in. If not play it cool as any caller on preflop may have a pair as well. Now poker starts.
this one time.....at poker camp
prize pool...500 k, approx. 40k 1st place
1st hand I get aces....raise 3 times blinds to 90
get reraised to 150...I raise it to 300, villain goes all-in
what to do ?? I call....he has kings
king on flop
good call but bad outcome, it happens
if I have aces I'll go all-in every time except in a game where I'm playing for the same prize
for everyone and its near the bubble and I have enough chips to make it....that's the ONLY time
I won't risk my whole stack
I've said this on several occasions. A-A is the one hand that I would prefer to get my chips all-in pre-flop with. But that does not mean open shoving. I'm going to raise 3x + 1x for each limper in the pot in front of me. If it's raised in front of me, I'm going to re-raise, and so on until I feel satisfied that there are enough chips in the pot or that I have a fish on the hook. What I'm not going to do is try to get cute and limp so that half the table ends up in the pot and somebody get's lucky on me.
None of you seem to understand. I'm not locked in here with all of you. All of you are locked in here with ME!
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I have only witnessed someone fold AA instantly - a pro on the bubble play in the WSOP. I would not shove on the first hand of a tourney with AA - I will bet 3 x BB. However, if someone shoves, I will call 100% of the time. Someone always shoves!
You are starting with the best hand - go for it. Lady luck fails you once ever so often. The loses are very memorable.
Going all in pre flop makes no sense. Why risk your tournament life so early? What are you trying achieve? If you want to get everyone to fold you win the blinds and thus risked everything to win very little. If you want players to gamble with you what do you expect to see on a laydown? You can be called by premium hands that may be underdogs but still have significant equity. Or you may be called by a large stacked player who decides to play suited connectors. There are a lot of flops that can turn such a hand into a winner.
Do what others here have suggested....put in a substantial raise to reduce the number of callers and go to the flop.
All depends of what's happened?!!? If some players put all in , and you have AA. Don't hesitate!!!! Don't panik, you have the best pocket pair of the game, you cannot fold preeflop!!!! After if you see the flop , if your are in bad position , don't call!!( Bad position: just imagine you have , and three spade on the flop )
AA is the most honorable hand of poker. But not immortal.
I would not bet all in from the start because that might scare out others. However if a few other players go all in ahead of me then I might be more inclined to do the same if I had aces. Only thing is that with my past history and luck some body will beat me with 2 n 7 offsuit when they hi another 2 n 7.
With a pair of AA in the first leg of a tournament, does anyone go all-in? Should we pay?
I recently fell with an AA hand for paying an all in preflop. Would a great poker player do that?
Sure, it's happened to everyone that's ever had Aces, you're in good company!
More specifically, it depends on where you are in the tournament, because if you're far from the money bubble and it's a large field you're going to need chips anyway, so don't be so hard on yourself.
Generally a big pair doesn't play well against several players preflop. But you and one on one other player preflop? Theoretically, what other hand are you waiting on, right?
Now if you're close to the money and you can avoid risking a lot of your chips than yes you should play any big pair carefully, you're trying to win the tourney not just one hand. So even if you fold to a big bet postflop and would've won the hand don't sweat it, if it wouldn't have won you the whole tournament or get you deep in the money, you'll be fine.
AA are going to win 80% of the time. Which means no matter what you’re always getting the proper odds to call an all in or go all in preflop. You need to play poker looking at it in the big picture. It makes you money.
A hand A-A is played all in preflop instance. If you are in early positions, you can induce bluffs from other players, limps or mini raises to 2 bb. But in the face of subsequent reraises, all in is played. It is a hand that in general from any position, we must seek to get the highest possible value.
Dont go all in at early position cause you will scare players with small hands, just raise few BB and see what will hapens. Small hands will fold and if someone calls or reraise you, propably with smaller pair or suited draw. If flop will be dangerous for you, just make hard decision, risk or hero fold
If I understand correctly the question, you are not sure if you have to pay an all in preflop at the beginning of a tournament with AA. The reason being you were knocked out by making this call.
Well... Good luck at the tables if you are not trolling!
Today i was on 888 where first 600 get the 5$ ticket and i was about 50th and the guy with same stack was going all in on my bb, and i didn't have to play at all and he either because only 35 players left more then 600 and i couldn't resist to call and the guy then went out, he had queens.
Yes sometimes a great poker players radar will tell him or her a fold is the right play with ACES all in pre flop depending on his or her first leg tourney strategy and objectives.
If you're trying to play slow small ball poker and push small edges then you can fold your ACES.
Especially when decent chunk of change is the buy in. Let's say you are facing 3 - 4 players all ins suddenly that AA looks like it's ready to get cracked.
I've folded many times in this spot because of two reasons one its risky. Two? If they get cracked you go on TILT easily. For the rest of the day and probably punt some more money at higher stakes
Dont worry what the other sarcastic donkeys on the thread are saying many of them are freeroller micro stakes players who load up with J7 shove vs AA and spike two pair rivers and wonder why their game is still in play money or freerolls
The fact that you asked the question shows me you think about the game and think about folding strong hands when beat and that is a virtue of a good long run player.
lately i tend to avoid AA like the plague because for some reason i have been bust out of my tournaments id say a good 50% to 60% just lately a few places before the money due to premium hands losing to far inferior hands usually people with massive stacks trying to bully you off the blinds because they are so high, i tend to feel that if you are shorter stacked at later stages youll lose no matter what you call with to the table chip leader because i tend to think pokerstars software favours them so my advice would be play shady as hell specially if your close to the money and you get dealt this hand
With AA I am pushing especially if I am in a late position. I hate to see AAs cracked so I am going to make sure only the strong players are in the pot. Early in position I will raise and see what kind of callers I get before pushing post flop.
Only in a free roll you do not care about. Way too early to sit and watch from the rail. Doyle Brunson always says to wait til the stakes are higher.
AA is only a pair, I always raise my standard 4X and see what the flop does.
I find that nobody is laying down AA preflop. Unless it’s a satellite near the bubble. You’re getting way to good of odds there. You’re 80% to win no matter what villains holding. You should be playing within your bankroll. Just riding the variance wave and keep playing.