A8o 5 bet???

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Just finished a tourney and one of the last hands i played in was a little confusing.
Blinds are 20/40
I'm late position holding a pair of 6's with 100BB and I raise to 120. Everyone folds to Villain and he 3 bets to 200. This guy has been playing all over the place so I feel my 6's are beating him pre flop. I 4 bet him to 500 and he 5 bets all in for around 2.5k. I call and he flips over A8o. Why such a strong play with a trashy hand? Do some of these people really believe that since they have an A they are golden?

Of course flop comes 88K with no help on turn or river.

Was I overplaying my 6's? or was it a correct read? Every hand Villain had at showdown was lousy and was just getting lucky post-flop

All criticism welcome! Fire away!
 
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I think you were overplaying your 6s... Even if he is dicking around we dont need to be 4 betting with pocket sixes.. Even bad players wake up with hands sometimes. I would have folded to the 3bet.
 
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In early stage, I want to hit set with pockets hand so i only call 3 bet.
U have 100 bb so i think u could call 5bb to try hit set.
If you do not hit anything FOLD.
 
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your getting such good odds pre and you dont need to fold flops all the time if he is that out of line assuming your IP it is very easy to flat and decide when to snap him off
 
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You say you thought you were ahead, but what did you think his range was? The problem you can run into with hands like 66 is that when you're ahead, it's usually only slightly (vs 2 overs), while when you're behind, you're generally well behind (vs a higher pair).
 
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I dislike it when somebody who constantly gets aggro with crap hands and keeps winning plays back at me, but in this case the farthest I would have gone pre would be to call the 3-bet and see a flop. It's easy to assume that somebody who is constantly raising with trash will always have trash, I see people fall into this trap all the time and shove/call their whole stacks off with something like KTo only to find out that villain had AA that time.

I think 66 is too weak to be getting it all in with pre-flop unless you're short-stacked and forced to, even if the villain is being completely ridiculous the only hands you crush are lower pairs and two cards 5 and below. Everything else you're either flipping or way behind.
 
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^this is tilt and horrible emotional thinking has nothing to do with the process, it is about the highest EV play not "just sucks when people makes hands" bc you will have that happen all the time get used to it

it is not the hand itself that is wrong here, it is how much risk and variance your taking very early in a tourny you cant win the thing at 20-40 or 40-80 blinds
 
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flat his 3bet, and cbet flop, then see what his reaction is when he missed.
 
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A-8 and 66 are both overplayed

Just finished a tourney and one of the last hands i played in was a little confusing.
Blinds are 20/40
I'm late position holding a pair of 6's with 100BB and I raise to 120. Everyone folds to Villain and he 3 bets to 200. This guy has been playing all over the place so I feel my 6's are beating him pre flop. I 4 bet him to 500 and he 5 bets all in for around 2.5k. I call and he flips over A8o. Why such a strong play with a trashy hand? Do some of these people really believe that since they have an A they are golden?

Of course flop comes 88K with no help on turn or river.

Was I overplaying my 6's? or was it a correct read? Every hand Villain had at showdown was lousy and was just getting lucky post-flop

All criticism welcome! Fire away!


maybe the villain is a fish why shove with a pair of 6?, it´s nonsense, its not a good play, actually, A-8 will beat 6-6 around 2/3 of times (actually is so bad that if you don´t make the set, you are lbehind with almost any playable hand)

maybe you could use it in a cheap flop and better if multiway and try to hit the set otherwise is almost useless

now, putting all your chips with pocket sixes
 
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maybe the villain is a fish why shove with a pair of 6?, it´s nonsense, its not a good play, actually, A-8 will beat 6-6 around 2/3 of times (actually is so bad that if you don´t make the set, you are lbehind with almost any playable hand)

maybe you could use it in a cheap flop and better if multiway and try to hit the set otherwise is almost useless

now, putting all your chips with pocket sixes

A-8 will not beat 66 2/3 of the time? 66 is a favourite against A8 with 55% equity or so (a slight difference if it's A8s). So if this were in a cash game it would make sence to make an all-in call with 66 vs A8.

But since it's a tourney, and you're not shortstacked in you don't need to risk that many of your chips by (almost) coinflipping
 
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Flat his 3 Bet. try to flop a set. Re assess on flop depending on who has position post flop I might bet this flop if he checked to me....then he'd probably check raise and I'd fold....
 
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maybe the villain is a fish why shove with a pair of 6?, it´s nonsense, its not a good play, actually, A-8 will beat 6-6 around 2/3 of times (actually is so bad that if you don´t make the set, you are lbehind with almost any playable hand)

maybe you could use it in a cheap flop and better if multiway and try to hit the set otherwise is almost useless

now, putting all your chips with pocket sixes


That explains people who play Ace/rag like a premium hand. Where did you get 2/3's favorite from? 66 is at least a top %20 hand, perfectly fine to shove late in tourneys, best played with caution early on.
 
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Since it is early in the tourney I think it is best to fold or flat his 3-bet. You already know that this guy is a fish, so his range is quite wide and he will call you with a lot of hands that will beat you if they hit. Why risk 100bb when you can just flat call and see what happens on the flop - my guess is that he would insta go all in after hitting trips.
GL next time :cool:
 
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i think id have to go for flat betting the 3-bet. ur only investing 5bb and play it as "set or fold" if he keeps firing. If you flop a set one in 7 then you're in a spot where u can lose 5bb most the time or let him hang himself if u hit your set.
 
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I should have folded my sixes to the 3-bet. I wouldn't risk my tourney when the blinds are only 20/40. The best you could expect is he has two overcards and it's an unnecessary flip.
 
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Wait a minute. Would he not have to 3bet to at least 240? (Min-raise).

If so worth a flat and a set mine for implied odds. 120 for a 420 pot.
 
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It is interesting looking at game theory from an aggro players point of view...

If he is holding a hand like A8 suited and just shoves all-in preflop for a lot more, you've gotta assume that the opponent is going to fold a decent amount of time (as I believe you should have folded the 66). And then even if you get called all-in with your A8 suited, you are still only a 67%-33% against a big pair (vs KK, you can hit an ace for the win) or a big ace (vs AK, looking for an 8 for the win).

[Granted, when you have A8 and are up against AA, you are crushed].

Some aggro-people could rationalize making this play with A8, assuming that your opponent will fold to a big all-in bet a decent amount of time, and you are still in decent shape to suck-out when they call.

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With that being said, I probably would've just called the small 3-bet and hoped to hit a set.

...But then even after you 4-bet and he goes all-in, I think calling was a bad play here as well. When he decides to go all in, what is he doing this with? Even if he has a hand like A8, it is still a coin flip. I feel like most of the time in this scenario, a villain will have an overpair and you will be crushed.
 
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u have to play 6 so much aggresive, when u has not more then 7 bb, just push it all in from any position, but in this situation as u as opp make not correct move. improve your game, fold 66 if 4 bet comes
 
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Why are you 4 betting 66 at all let alone at these blinds, why are you calling the ship. You do realize its the start of the tournament and you have a small PHP so why are you putting I'm 100 BBs?
 
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You should not played the hand that agressively no matter how your opponent is defined by you before this hand, because your pocket 6's are underdog again a lot of hands especially on flips. You could flat calling him and try to make your set, and if not get away from the hand as soon as possible.. :)
 
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You say this guy is all over the place. Doesn't mean he doesn't have a hand. Re-raising pre-flop is not at all called for here, not so early in tourney. You're asking, nay begging, for trouble.
 
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Is this a 50 cent tournament? A dollar? FreeRoll?
I often play very loose early in a small stakes tournament.
I would rather StackUp or go Bust early than get grinded down by a Big Stack Bully.
 
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Flat the 3 bet, fold the flop. I think the 4 bet is a slightly tilted play because the guy is annoying you with how out of hand he is.
 
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I think you did over play. Blinds at 20/40 that early you cannot have that good of read on him can you? Your play would based on his history. 66 is just 66 unless you think he can be outplayed pf.
 
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you have a made hand but you overplay your sixes the best was to fold nevermind what he had when bet 500 you should stop your bet.
 
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